Should we wait for the Manual Transmission Supra? Update: Tada-san says no to MT?

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This is yet another aspect of A90 where the reality of its BMW roots must be taken into account. With very few exceptions, BMW operates on a seven year model cycle, with model facelift done at the four year mark. Any future Z4 and Supra development will remain joined at the hip, so if BMW runs Z4 through the usual life cycle, that's what you'll also see on the Supra side.

It should be noted that BMW's schedule of engine and transmission revisions is almost fully disconnected from model lifecycle. While they usually won't put new revisions of their engines into the models that are on their way out, everything else remains possible. Plenty of BMW models had their engine lineups significantly changed after just a year or two of production - whenever new engines or transmissions are ready, BMW puts them into all the cars that can use them. However, the lack of a manual in Z4/Supra is not the question of engineering readiness but rather a marketing decision, and those are only revisited for new models or facelifts.





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This is yet another aspect of A90 where the reality of its BMW roots must be taken into account. With very few exceptions, BMW operates on a seven year model cycle, with model facelift done at the four year mark. Any future Z4 and Supra development will remain joined at the hip, so if BMW runs Z4 through the usual life cycle, that's what you'll also see on the Supra side.

It should be noted that BMW's schedule of engine and transmission revisions is almost fully disconnected from model lifecycle. While they usually won't put new revisions of their engines into the models that are on their way out, everything else remains possible. Plenty of BMW models had their engine lineups significantly changed after just a year or two of production - whenever new engines or transmissions are ready, BMW puts them into all the cars that can use them. However, the lack of a manual in Z4/Supra is not the question of engineering readiness but rather a marketing decision, and those are only revisited for new models or facelifts.
Yep, yep, yep, agree 100%. Everybody pay attention to these details.
 

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Yep, yep, yep, agree 100%. Everybody pay attention to these details.
I agree this is usually the case (for the trans) but I feel Toyota has greater incentive to make a manual available. I do have doubts it will happen, however.
 

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It feels like "Toyota please make a Supra with a manual" is the new "Toyota please make a 86 with more power" - 7 years and counting and it ain't happening ! :banghead:

Good luck to those who want a manual - hope it happens for you guys.:headbang:
 

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It feels like "Toyota please make a Supra with a manual" is the new "Toyota please make a 86 with more power" - 7 years and counting and it ain't happening ! :banghead:

Good luck to those who want a manual - hope it happens for you guys.:headbang:
Doing partnership, collaboration with other automakers, I believe Toyota doesn’t always have the final say even if they want to make something possible.

With regards to the 86/BRZ project, Toyota didn’t mention anything about the turbo engine enthusiasts have been clamoring for for a long time. I remember Tada-san just said that if you add turbo, it would add weight, and they have to do some engine revisions, which would ruin the balance of the car. He also said that the 86 is made for those who love to drive around the corners. It’s never about straight line speed. If, in case, they release a turbo 86, I think Toyota would have a hard time introducing the Supra. It’s all part of their marketing, for sure. Just not sure why Toyota doesn’t want to release a manual Supra just yet. If they give an answer to that, enthusiasts will be patient enough to wait. That’s all those who want a manual Supra have been waiting for, after all.

Dear Toyota, please grant our request, make our dream manual Supra come true.:yes:
 

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I wonder if could it really be that Toyota isn’t done with the testing of the manual transmission for the Supra just yet that’s why they haven’t released it yet, or is Toyota focusing on releasing the manual transmission on the 2nd-generation Toyota 86(and possibly not with the Supra). :hmm:
 

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I wonder if could it really be that Toyota isn’t done with the testing of the manual transmission for the Supra just yet that’s why they haven’t released it yet, or is Toyota focusing on releasing the manual transmission on the 2nd-generation Toyota 86(and possibly not with the Supra). :hmm:
Toyota simply can't offer something that BMW doesn't make.
 

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I believe we are here to share thoughts and ideas freely. You can be the insider of Bimmerpost but here we are good, we share our 'fanboyism' with enthusiasm.
You can like the Toyota brand while remaining realistic about its engineering and marketing decisions.

Saying that BMW could offer something but Toyota decided it was below their standards is not being realistic.
 

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You can like the Toyota brand while remaining realistic about its engineering and marketing decisions.

Saying that BMW could offer something but Toyota decided it was below their standards is not being realistic.
Oh come on don't be ridiculous. Toyota is super anal regarding their manual transmissions. BMW manuals haven't improved for a long time and in many ways have become worse as time passes. They're rubbery, numb, not notchy and do not click when you shift, has relatively long throws, and it's just such a "meh" transmission. Drive the Toyota Corolla Hatchback with the stick and you'll understand what kind of manuals Toyota likes to build, and that's for a small car. Imagine them having a manual for a true sports car like the Supra (think back to the the Getrag transmissions).

We don't even need to go that far either, why not take a look at the 86's manual? That thing is a hoot. Point is, BMW manuals are pretty sad compared to offerings like Porsche, Chevrolet, Honda, Ford, and Toyota.
 
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Oh come on don't be ridiculous. Toyota is super anal regarding their manual transmissions. BMW manuals haven't improved for a long time and in many ways have become worse as time passes. They're rubbery, numb, not notchy and do not click when you shift, has relatively long throws, and it's just such a "meh" transmission. Drive the Toyota Corolla Hatchback with the stick and you'll understand what kind of manuals Toyota likes to build, and that's for a small car. Imagine them having a manual for a true sports car like the Supra (think back to the the Getrag transmissions).

We don't even need to go that far either, why not take a look at the 86's manual? That thing is a hoot. Point is, BMW manuals are pretty sad compared to offerings like Porsche, Chevrolet, and Toyota.
To add to this, Toyota had a whole program in which they were developing the feel of the 86’s manual transmission. For awhile they were not satisfied with how it shifts.
 

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