Should we wait for the Manual Transmission Supra? Update: Tada-san says no to MT?

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You can like the Toyota brand while remaining realistic about its engineering and marketing decisions.

Saying that BMW could offer something but Toyota decided it was below their standards is not being realistic.
It's not unreasonable in a partnership like BMW-Toyota that one aspect such as transmission options affect both cars. If Toyota doesn't like the 6MT BMW offers, that means the Z4 doesn't get one either.

A new 6MT is most likely going to come from a partnership since they're pulling from BMW supply lines and so it's also reasonable to assume that if the i6 Supra gets a 6MT, so does Z4. Toyota isn't reasonably going to make the manual themselves since that's going to disrupt production lines.





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OK you can all keep your delusions if they make you warm and happy but here is a simple fact: BMW does not and will not make manual transmissions for B58TÜ engines. And you can be sure that this is not because Toyota didn't want them for Supras because those are just a tiny blip on the radar compared to all BMW models with the same engine.
 

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but here is a simple fact: BMW does not and will not make manual transmissions for B58TÜ engines
Thats a cool fun fact.

I have one for you, it doesn't matter. As long as the transmission can get into their supply chain, like ZF transmissions, it can be installed in the car at magna steyr
 

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OK you can all keep your delusions if they make you warm and happy but here is a simple fact: BMW does not and will not make manual transmissions for B58TÜ engines. And you can be sure that this is not because Toyota didn't want them for Supras because those are just a tiny blip on the radar compared to all BMW models with the same engine.
I guess we will know if Toyota has the power and willingness to do whatever they want with their Zupra if they install a manual transmission and BMW doesn't.
 

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I have one for you, it doesn't matter. As long as the transmission can get into their supply chain, like ZF transmissions, it can be installed in the car at magna steyr
This is not how it works.
I guess we will know if Toyota has the power and willingness to do whatever they want with their Zupra if they install a manual transmission and BMW doesn't.
I'd love to see it happen. My wife is a hard no on the Supra right now specifically because it doesn't have the manual option while otherwise it'd be a perfect car for her needs.

But it won't.
 

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I agree that just having a transmission delivered to Magna Steyr is not enough to get it into production. There is a whole lot of engineering, certification, etc that has to happen before that point. Magna Steyr are manufacturing experts, but they just put stuff together, and they rely on the manufacturer's design engineers to work out the details. In addition, for powertrain stuff, they are most likely getting pre-built engine+transmission combos from BMW ahead of time.

I wouldn't be surprised if Toyota though BMW's manuals weren't up to Toyota standards -- they are not world class manuals or remarkable in any way, but if I had the choice of a BMW manual from the M2/M3/M4 in my Supra versus no manual at all, it would be easy, I'd take the BMW manual and I bet it would rock in the Supra. Nobody who tests a car like the M2 Competition ever complains about that manual, they're too busy having a good time and smiling. Combine that with the fact that, while Toyota might be picky about manual transmissions, their lack of a serious sports car with *any* transmission has left a gaping hole in their lineup for nearly 2 decades. They don't need to be picky about something like that.
 

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This is how Magna Steyr works and operates and how they are able to manufacturer cars to the standards of specific companies.
Exactly. To the standards of specific companies. Which means you're back to what BMW does or doesn't offer.
 

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I think you’re confused, not everything at Magna Steyr is strictly BMW.
I think ynguldyn is trying to hint that Toyota does not have the power of decision on their Zupra...please correct me if I wrong.
Either BMW or Toyota are feeding us BS. In a year from now, we will have our answer.
 

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OK you can all keep your delusions if they make you warm and happy but here is a simple fact: BMW does not and will not make manual transmissions for B58TÜ engines. And you can be sure that this is not because Toyota didn't want them for Supras because those are just a tiny blip on the radar compared to all BMW models with the same engine.
Excuse me? Don't waltz your ass into this forum and not expect to get your ass set on fire after accusing us of being delusional. What I said was fact. Want to troll? Go troll somewhere else.
 

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Excuse me? Don't waltz your ass into this forum and not expect to get your ass set on fire after accusing us of being delusional. What I said was fact. Want to troll? Go troll somewhere else.
He’s trolled Multiple threads with no facts stating everyone’s wrong and then fights about it. I gave up listening to him
 

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I think ynguldyn is trying to hint that Toyota does not have the power of decision on their Zupra...please correct me if I wrong.
Of course it does. Toyota decided how the car should look. The overall interior design (as long as you ignore the obvious sourcing of buttons and switches) is also Toyota. The instrument panel is Supra-specific. And Toyota even had some control over the car's mechanics because suspension tuning is trivial and has to be done for each new model anyway.

Everything else is BMW.
The car's basic layout and mechanical parts were designed by BMW together with Z4.
It was tested in Germany alongside Z4.
It has a BMW built engine and a transmission built by ZF for BMW.
It uses the previous generation BMW iDrive for infotainment.
Every single part has the BMW logo stamped on it and a part number in BMW parts database.
To troubleshoot its issues, you need BMW software.
The VINs assigned to the cars come out of BMW VIN pool.
Magna-Steyr is a BMW contractor.

And I'm a BMW troll.
 

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