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Why does this feel like groundhog's day? :)

via Bloomberg - http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...head-on-sports-car-with-agreement-on-platform

June 29, 2015 — 5:08 AM PDT

BMW AG and Toyota Motor Corp. are moving ahead on a project to jointly develop a midsize sports car with an an agreement on common underpinnings of major components for the model.

The program to create the vehicle is “progressing according to plan” with the accord on the platform, Munich-based BMW said Monday in an e-mailed response to questions.

Carmakers are trying to ease the burden of investing in new models as the cost of technology such as autonomous driving and more efficient engines strains profitability. The difficulty of reaching adequate returns on spending has prompted Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV Chief Executive Officer Sergio Marchionne to advocate for consolidation in the industry.

Toyota, the world’s biggest carmaker, and BMW, the biggest producer of luxury vehicles, outlined plans for the sports car in early 2013 and said in November 2014 that they’d reached the concept phase for the vehicle after completing a technical feasibility study. The manufacturers have declined to specify where the model might be built or when production would start.

The carmakers’ cooperation alliance also includes research projects on fuel cells. Testing of a first set of components remains scheduled for 2020, BMW said Monday.




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Are they going to tell us it's moved to the "concept" phase ...again?

Definitely looking like a 2018 or later now.
 

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On track for engine development target 2020. The car will be unveiled in 2025.
 

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"The program to create the vehicle is “progressing according to plan” with the accord on the platform, Munich-based BMW said Monday in an e-mailed response to questions."

Essentially this is the only part of news contained in the brief article.

Progress is good!
 

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^ I hope we do, but I wouldn't be surprised if we don't. The Lexus LF-LC concept is suppose to come into production next year as a 2017 SC. They did this concept in 2 different colors which was a design study. Similar things have been said about the FT-1 which was also brought out in 2 colors. Toyota has been 'pimping' the FT-1 at a lot of car shows lately including car meets. I wouldn't be surprised if the FT-1 is the actual concept for what is coming at this point.

I see this playing out the following way: 2017 Lexus SC (F) debut at The 2016 Detroit Auto show. And Toyota 'Supra' debut at the 2017 Detroit auto show as a 2018 model. Just like the first Lexus SC in 1992 and the MKIV Supra in 1993, 1 year apart.
 

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And with that, I'm moving on. Maybe by the time the Supra comes out I'll be ready for a change from my next purchase.
 

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And with that, I'm moving on. Maybe by the time the Supra comes out I'll be ready for a change from my next purchase.
Seriously? Just because of a non-informative update by an unnamed BMW rep? Have some faith and patience people. :) The car still has plenty of time to arrive as a 2017 car.
 

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I think that's reasonable. It's going to be a long time before we see a car. There is obviously no rush from Toyota.

When we saw such a seemingly complete car at the unveiling, and with the amount of marketing and pimping that Toyota has been doing of this thing, it would have seemed like a real car was forthcoming relatively imminently (like more seasoned sportscar companies do these days).

18 mos, 2 years, 3 years is a very long time for car people to wait, especially when there's really nothing solid upon which to form a prediction or expectation. To my knowledge, Toyota hasn't even said officially that they're going to sell a car. And by now, there have been new cars announced by competitors, and recent higher end new cars have hit the market and begun to depreciate. Other stuff has also become more appealing as the original gran turismo performance hopes have faded into more muted expectations.

Easier to move on to something else in the meantime, enjoy something else for awhile, bring attention back after it's launched, and buy one a couple few model years in.
 

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