Toyota Supra VS BMW Z4 Drag Race, Rolling Race & Brake Test

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  1. justbake

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    1. That doesn't answer what car it was, that is cheaper than the average Toyota.

    2. Of course it has older parts, but that doesn't mean Toyota didn't do any tuning.

    3. The language here is particular and doesn't suggest no improvements were made. It says Toyota noted their concerns and that this engine passed all their internal requirements. Guff's video is worth watching about this.
     
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    @s219 I suggest you watch this entire video, especially at 9:00 where it mentions stress testing. This car is built using BMW parts but it had a lot of input by Toyota engineers.

     
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    The 86/BRZ is not in the league with the Supra and an M car in power that’s for sure, but from my experience with the BRZ, and owning multiple M cars since the late 90’s to the modern ones, the BRZ out steers them in steering feel, and from reviews of the Supra, and Guff on here, many prefer the steering feel of the 86/BRZ over the Supra as well.
     
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    This is what I thought too.

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    BMW electric power steering has been terrible as long as I can remember. This boggles my mind, because my S2000 was one of the early production vehicles with EPS and Honda got it right all the way back in 1999 when the S2000 came out. Mazda has excellent EPS across their current lineup. A couple other brands also do it well. But it still eludes BMW to this day. If there was a glaring deficiency for Toyota to improve upon, that would have been it ,but all the Supra reviews I have seen suggest it's still lacking in road feel.

    The strange thing is that BMW can make a car with accurate, precise steering feel and crisp initiation (M2 Competition is among the best example). It's just lacking any feedback from the road through the wheel, so what happens is being transmitted from the front end to your brain, but not through your hands that are applying the steering effort.
     
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    Pretty sure that's only for the Japanese market, for other countries the final inspection is done at the arrival port or the dealership itself. Hence the 3 month travel time, about the time to get from Austria to Japan.
     
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    That's only cars for the Japanese domestic market. The Motomachi plant is serving as the processing center (VPC). Here's the press release:

    https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/toyota/28110994.html

    Cars going to Europe and North America ship out direct from Bremerhaven (alongside many other German makes), and go straight to the ports of entry in the destination country. They are using some of the same ports as BMW but I have not heard if they go through the same VPCs (in the past BMW used VPCs operated by third parties, but since about 2014 they run their own in the US).
     
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    2010 E89 Z4 with the N52 3.0 inline six. If you follow the maintenance intervals given by iDrive, recent model BMWs will go 10,000-15,000 miles between oil changes (or 1 year, whichever comes first). And before someone says 10,000-15,000 miles is a horrible idea, that's fine, but I saw no adverse effects at least through 85,000 miles when I traded the car in. That naturally aspirated inline six was among the best engines in any car I have owned, ever.
     
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    That makes more sense and that would have been very redundant and a bottleneck if all of them had to go back to Japan.
     
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    Agreed, n52 is a sweetheart. And Engineering Explained did a video on the 10-15k mile oil change and how modern oils on stock engines really do last that long.
     
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    I mean, it just needs 100lb ft of Torque
     
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    I think the supra does very well against the much much more expensive Caymam GTS in acceleration and braking.

    And it crushes the Audi ttrs.
     
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    The z4 m40i in my country produces 340 hp from the factory like the supra. Does this mean they both use b58C engines?
     
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    The Z4 has the B58D but has a particle filter that limits the power in countries that require it for emission purposes
     

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