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Discussion in 'B48 4-Cyl Engine, Exhaust, Drivetrain, Bolt-Ons' started by Bruins71, Apr 29, 2019.
Wow, so this might be happening. Pretty cool for a lower entry, but that'll really put it in some close competition. And most of the competition comes with a manual option. Hopefully Toyota incorporates that manual they were testing and gradually improves on it, so it could make it to the B58.
I would be so stoked to have the 4cyl version. I wish they'd bring it here but maybe they don't want it watering down the brand/image here in the states since we're horsepower-spoiled snobs and bench-racers.
Tada has said in one interview that he's wary of allowing the Supra to compete with the GT86 when it came to the question of a manual transmission in the MKV Supra because "...then the 86 has nowhere to go."
It's not an argument that holds water though. The MKV is a two seater and has a turbocharger regardless of whether it has the four cylinder or six cylinder while the GT86 has had, historically, an NA engine and a fairly usable 2+2 seating layout.
(^^ And I'll stand by that statement as I've checked out the 86/FR-S/BRZ myself-- it's a 2+2 on about the same level of interior usefulness as the 97-01 Prelude which is to say if you ever owned one of those... surprisingly more than you might initially give it credit for).
I don't see Toyota's potential offering of the 2.0L 4cyl turbo in the Supra or a manual in that model as being in any way directly competing with the 86's 4cyl manual & auto 2+2 formula. The Supra is still going to be a much lower volume car built on a specialized chassis and the next 86 will be built on the higher volume TGNA architecture (still as a RWD of course).
Toyota should offer the 2.0L turbo and a manual to go with it. It would be like a modern equivalent of the JDM only Supra MKIII 1G-GTE 2.0L turbo with automatic and manual choices. That was sold below the top range 3.0GT 7M-GTE and the later '89-'92 2.5 Twin Turbo R 1JZ-GTE model. They've been down this road successfully once before.
If they have no plans on bringing to the US why are there 4 banger test cars driving around CA?
Another one spotted in CA.
I really don't understand where the turbo-4 will compete in the US. Assuming the price is in the range of 35-45K, which would then put it in competition with the Camaro Turbo and Mustang Ecoboost area, I don't see how it is going to do well in the American market, especially one without a manual transmission. And if it does come with a manual, it could pull customers away from the inline 6 model effectively just spreading out the customer base.