Watch the New BMW Z4 (EU Spec) Run a 7:55 Lap of the Nurburgring

Discussion in 'General Supra Topics' started by dshandy, Sep 12, 2018.

  1. dshandy

    dshandy Well-Known Member

    Car(s):
    2012 Chevy Camaro SS, 2014 Audi A5
    Joined:
    May 4, 2018
    Location:
    USA
    Posts:
    73
    Liked:
    220
    Z4 laps Nurburgring in 7:55

    https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a23099489/2019-bmw-z4-m40i-nurburgring-lap-time/

     
  2. BrettS

    BrettS Well-Known Member

    Car(s):
    2011 gti
    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2016
    Location:
    Alberta
    Posts:
    433
    Liked:
    1,063
    Wasn’t the rumour the supra did the ring in 7:40?
     
  3. OP
    OP
    dshandy

    dshandy Well-Known Member

    Car(s):
    2012 Chevy Camaro SS, 2014 Audi A5
    Joined:
    May 4, 2018
    Location:
    USA
    Posts:
    73
    Liked:
    220
    IIRC that's the last I read from A70, or somewhere around the 7:40 mark.
     
  4. Modal170

    Modal170 Well-Known Member

    Car(s):
    86
    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2018
    Location:
    NJ
    Posts:
    925
    Liked:
    1,303
    That is lots of seconds if the Supra worked on a 7:40 lap time. And if there's even more power, maybe even a 7:38 time.

    Going to see the onboard footage and imagine what it's like
     
  5. Guff

    Guff Moderator
    Staff Member

    Car(s):
    FR-S, BRZ, Supra, Mini Cooper
    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2016
    Location:
    USA
    Posts:
    1,019
    Liked:
    4,113
    Garage Profiles:
    1
    Yeah, I can't see the standard Supra being that much faster than the Z4. If the car is breaking into the 7:4x's then perhaps that's just for a faster GR version? Either that or the Z4 is just kind of slow, because honestly a 7:55 isn't particularly fast in this day and age.

    What's interesting to me is that they seem to trust the transmission logic enough to keep the car in full auto for the entire run. I guess the ZFs really have gotten that good. Solid 1.1-1.2 lateral G sustained mid corner too, so there is good mechanical grip there from those MPSS*. I'm interested to see what one of these does with 450hp...
     
    waleed, MLG Tofu Shop, A70TTR and 2 others like this.
  6. Modal170

    Modal170 Well-Known Member

    Car(s):
    86
    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2018
    Location:
    NJ
    Posts:
    925
    Liked:
    1,303
    I thought the way the car would be set up, it would cause a difference in time. I can see perhaps the Supra scoring a 7:50 time realistically so it doesn't blow the Z4 out of the water, and showcase the Supra a focus on being a race car. It's just me wondering what's considered Nurburgring worthy under Akio's judgement? The LFA's slowest time is 7:38 and the fastest being 7:14.64 with a special edition just for a reference.
     
  7. redspencer

    redspencer Well-Known Member

    Car(s):
    Track-tuned Lexus IS350
    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2017
    Location:
    FL
    Posts:
    45
    Liked:
    158
    #7 Sep 12, 2018
    Last edited: Sep 12, 2018
    I'm not sure if they specified the Z4's horsepower rating but if this is the euro-spec, it could be doing a 7:55 with the restricted 340 HP configuration (vice the 382 HP configuration).

    For added reference points on modern ring times, the 300+ HP Honda Civic Type R can lap the ring in 7:43.
     
  8. Modal170

    Modal170 Well-Known Member

    Car(s):
    86
    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2018
    Location:
    NJ
    Posts:
    925
    Liked:
    1,303
    Euro-spec is 335 with the filter

    Someone on youtube noted that the brakes were vibrating harshly and suggested they weren't for track use, combined with the straight away of the car going 260KMH at one point. Said BMW is obviously sandbagging on the ratings. I think if all the above is correct and was a EU spec, the Z4 can crack a 7:45 with proper brakes and a US-spec engine and a master driver behind the wheels.
     
  9. tfoxyr

    tfoxyr Well-Known Member

    Car(s):
    suzuki swift sport
    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2016
    Location:
    matrix
    Posts:
    180
    Liked:
    218
    let's hope the toyota counterpart has more performance than that , that was kinda sad for the z4 after all this "development"...
     
  10. RyleyMA61

    RyleyMA61 Well-Known Member

    Car(s):
    lots
    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2017
    Location:
    Australia
    Posts:
    1,080
    Liked:
    2,618
    Occupation:
    Engineer
    You would certainly hope the Supra could do it faster than a Civic...
     
    Guff, SupraStew85 and tfoxyr like this.
  11. tfoxyr

    tfoxyr Well-Known Member

    Car(s):
    suzuki swift sport
    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2016
    Location:
    matrix
    Posts:
    180
    Liked:
    218
    civic does 7:43 while able to fit 4 people just fine , being fwd and developed by 1 company while being relatively cheap for the performance it gives. I mean kudos to honda but that isn't flattering for the z4.
     
    factsaboutrats and boodjohn like this.
  12. Nurburgring

    Nurburgring Well-Known Member

    Car(s):
    911 Turbo, M3 E46, S2000, Mazda FC3S & FD3S, EK9 Type R, AE86, Evo7RS, F3 race car
    Joined:
    May 3, 2018
    Location:
    Chile
    Posts:
    122
    Liked:
    448
    #12 Sep 12, 2018
    Last edited: Sep 12, 2018
    As an avid `ring fan and benchracer, my comments:

    Don`t compare Sport Auto Nurburgring laptimes to "manufacturer" laptimes, owners laptimes, Wikipedia laptimes and even other mags laptimes. Sport Auto is considered the standard because: They run the full course Nordschleife (not just a segment of the track as most others do, usually called "bridge to gantry" laptimes) and the cars they test are always bone stock (manufacturers cheat more often than you think - tires, weight, boost, alignment, etc).

    Having said that, an Euro-spec Z4 (down 40hp+ from the rest of the world version) putting down 7:55 is pretty impressive. These are other results from SportAuto to compare, no bullshit here:

    Porsche Cayman S (718) 7:46
    Audi TT-RS 7:48
    Lotus Exige S (V6) 7:53
    BMW Z4 M40i 7:55
    Ford Focus RS 8:06
    Mini John Cooper Works 8:28


    Last gen Z4 would fall off-the-chart slow with the same power. They made huge progress on the chassis. Still, the car is understeering visibly in some segments. The Supra, with a more aggresive suspension setup and lower weight will probably land on par with the Cayman S laptime, which seems to be the benchmark Toyota has had since day 1. It will not be close to a 911S, that is clear by now.
     
  13. OP
    OP
    dshandy

    dshandy Well-Known Member

    Car(s):
    2012 Chevy Camaro SS, 2014 Audi A5
    Joined:
    May 4, 2018
    Location:
    USA
    Posts:
    73
    Liked:
    220
    If the prototype Supra was weighing just under 3000lbs with 350hp and running a 3.8 0-60 as A70 stated, then I don’t see why it couldn’t run the Ring 5-10 seconds quicker than the Z4. After all, lap times really do depend on weight, suspension setup, and the driver.
     
    MLG Tofu Shop, Spilner and A70TTR like this.
  14. SS900

    SS900 Well-Known Member

    First Name:
    Al
    Car(s):
    95 Supra twin turbo
    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2018
    Location:
    CA
    Posts:
    319
    Liked:
    214
    Keep dreaming about the 3,000lbs and under 4 seconds 0-60.
     
    factsaboutrats and boodjohn like this.
  15. OP
    OP
    dshandy

    dshandy Well-Known Member

    Car(s):
    2012 Chevy Camaro SS, 2014 Audi A5
    Joined:
    May 4, 2018
    Location:
    USA
    Posts:
    73
    Liked:
    220
    #15 Sep 12, 2018
    Last edited: Sep 12, 2018
    I never said that was production spec, A70 said that was the prototype testing early on. I'll be a firm believer until I hear otherwise. If you have any valuable information that you'd like to share then please be my guest. I get it, in the end, this is all hearsay but I'll believe credible sources on this forum until I'm proven wrong.
     

Share This Page