RotaryShinka
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Sounds like you have money to splurge if you considered an R35 GTR....why not just buy a MKIV and be happy?
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Without a manual trans whats the point. I was going to let the whole B58 powerplant slide, but without a manual trans I really don't care about the car.
What is being offered in the A90 (and a few other cars from different makers) is basically a fly by wire system. Just what is a fly by wire system?I’m actually happy about the auto. Can shift faster than I can and I can put it in any gear I want to just the same as a manual.
This exactly. If that's not fly by wire, I don't know what is.just like Toyoda and Alonso both said, 'absolutely anyone can drive this car fast', because the car does all the real driving for you -- story of 99% of all new cars.
Chevy used to, the new C8 will be very much in the same boat as the MKV. It's inevitable, manuals will be gone except in small boutique vehicles. Shortly after that with electrification ICE will start its slow sunset. Grab what you can while you can and be happy. Every year we make up a smaller segment, the auto manufacturers don't just decide to stop offering technologies its all hand in hand with where the bulk of the automotive market is moving.^ huh? are you really being an apologist here? you do realize ever since the turn of the millennium, virtually all sports cars utilize a drive by wire throttle/brake from the GT86/BRZ to the M2/4, it has no impact on developing a manual.. Having no manual is plain and simple a cop out and blatant cost cutting. Don't give me the "it is faster" routine, the Supra ain't faster than a Vette yet Chevy gives us the option to row our own gears. And what does shaving 1 or 2 seconds on the streets actually do? All these people who are happy about automatic trans must be the wannabe stoplight racer in their town.. Street driving is all about feel, screw paper specs.. Guess Toyota was so serious about making the Supra a true sports car they shortened the wheelbase, removed some practicality and the backseats and ultimately they gave consumers only an automatic...lol..
Even if C8 is automatic only, it is by far more excusable for Chevy considering it is mid engined and has much more HP & torque whereas the Supra is being marketed for the driving experience just like the 86 twins... Plus, I still have a very difficult time believing the C8 will be priced anywhere near a C7 and so I can't really justify comparing the Supra with it..Chevy used to, the new C8 will be very much in the same boat as the MKV. It's inevitable, manuals will be gone except in small boutique vehicles. Shortly after that with electrification ICE will start its slow sunset. Grab what you can while you can and be happy. Every year we make up a smaller segment, the auto manufacturers don't just decide to stop offering technologies its all hand in hand with where the bulk of the automotive market is moving.
What are you guys going on about? This car does not drive itself, its not AWD and it doesn't have electronic trickery that turns you into an ace driver. Every generation of Supra has been offered with a traditional automatic transmission, this one just doesn't offer a manual (yes huge mistake, one they will likely correct in a year or so). The magneto shocks are here to allow stiffer dampening when at the track or cornering hard, and a more compliant ride when not. It has modern drive by wire, stability, traction control and ABS, like every other car on the market (and the 98-02 mk4 jdm supra), but I believe you can turn it all off at the track. The only thing on it that could be considered a drivers aid is the e diff which can vary how hard the diff locks on accel and decel, which is probably more there to make the car more consistent then to transform you into Mario Andretti. Toyota has actually been pretty good for not going down the electronic wizardy route like Nissan did with the GTR. Note how the LFA ended up vs say the new NSX and the GTR.
Mechanically this car is identical to a 1989 Nissan 240sx with a turbo i6, an e diff and magneto shocks, plus all the standard tech any other new car has.
LOL...I sure hope not for a $50K car.Mechanically this car is identical to a 1989 Nissan 240sx with a turbo i6, an e diff and magneto shocks, plus all the standard tech any other new car has.
I think he just meant that like any of us who have been very interested to hear Toyota respond in the absolutely affirmative with a model trim to meet the demand that has always been there for a three-pedal manual transmission MKV Supra... not a manual Camry family car but a manual Supra $50k halo high performance sportscar icon... he has been holding out and has basically thrown up his hands at this point because he actually wants THIS car.... just with a manual transmission.So, after months after the cars reveal, (knowing it is auto only so far) you finally decided on not buying it since it doesn’t have a manual? Mmm, Ok.... lol
Chevy used to, the new C8 will be very much in the same boat as the MKV. It's inevitable, manuals will be gone except in small boutique vehicles. Shortly after that with electrification ICE will start its slow sunset. Grab what you can while you can and be happy. Every year we make up a smaller segment, the auto manufacturers don't just decide to stop offering technologies its all hand in hand with where the bulk of the automotive market is moving.
https://www.caradvice.com.au/717116/toyota-supra-manual-demand/Is this upon release or are you referring to later down the track? please quote your source.