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What performance tech must the halo Supra have to provoke you to upgrade from your current vehicle?
At the 2018 Detroit Motor Show Mercedes presented a new inline-6 3.0lt (twin charged) engine to be fitted to AMG 53 badged vehicles (CLS53, E53 coupe/cabriolet) that would incorporate mild-hybrid 48 volt battery tech and an electronic turbo to drastically reduce initial lag (and allow for larger turbo to be used) to boost power, said to be 435hp (326kw).
This engine comes in contract to Mercedes V6 3.0lt twin turbo AMG E43 engine (295kW and 520Nm) and E400 (245kw and 480Nm) engines without the hybrid power.
Such E-boosting anti-lag tech came to my awareness when it was implemented in a mk3 Audi TTRS that was made into a concept car called the TT Clubsport turbo. This car back in 2015 produced 592hp (441kw) in an inline-5 2.5lt thanks to augmenting a 48 volt battery powered e-turbo to a significantly larger exhaust-driven turbo.
The e-turbo 48v mild hybrid tech has already found its way into production in the VW group with it used in the new Audi SQ5 SUV, a 3.0lt V6 Bi-turbo diesel 5.1 sec 0-60mph became the fastest production diesel SUV at its launch.
Also a car that has been drawn to my attention just today is the Infinity Q60 Black S concept wanted to incorporate hybrid power to target 500hp from there 3.0lt V6 twin-turbo.
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When I consider the BMW B58 engine comparing in power and size to the Audi TTRS 2.5lt making 400hp I have to consider the possible engine for the Supra to be a low rpm torque biased eco-motor. This is not acceptable as the carrier of Toyota sport-car dreams for spirited driving.
Perhaps my opinion is ill informed concerning the more powerful N55 revised M2 engine using forged internals. In my mind this is still an engine coming from 2011 technology and is too long ago to be accepted for a 2019 production year Supra.
I seriously doubt Toyota will be given the 2019 arriving BMW S58 (m-division) engine targeting 440-450hp, succeeding the S55 M3/M4 engine.
The halo Supra engine in my mind needs to come with forged internals to be tuner friendly from the factory, and needs to incorporate the latest hybrid tech that is already being found in various Mercedes and Audi vehicles that are set to expand significantly in the next 5 years (and probably be the main feature tech of the next 5 years as direct injection with twin-scroll turbo were the feature of the last 5). If Toyota/Gazoo Racing does not include such lag reducing hydrid tech in their halo model then they will be behind from the start and this will drastically reduce the appeal of the car for me. I will see it then as little different from getting a BMW 140i, 240i or M2. I want something to rival the Cayman S and potentially the base 991.2 Carrera.
This model means significantly more to Toyota for sports cars than is does to BMW for their Z4. This car with its stiffer chassis over a convertible needs to be a category above the new Z4 in performance.
My own current car is an mk2 Audi TTS (200kw 2.0lt turbo) and from my experience with this coupe with good looks (which the Supra most certainly must be primarily) is that I would be happy to have the ZF speed auto over a DCT if it means sufficiently better low speed refinement and torque handling ability for tuned cars. I would also be happy for 2 seats only if the boot cargo area is large as most of the time I have my rear seat flat anyway. The most annoying thing with my car is how sluggish it is off the line at lights for first 10 meters and up to 3,000rpm. While I am sure larger capacity and twin-scroll turbo would help somewhat, I think much of the issue would still remain (discounting catless e85 for production car). The only tech I see that will push me to upgrade to the new supra is the instant high-torque ability of using an electric motor at low rpms. The Halo supra should target power around 315-340kw while being 70-85% of the price of a Cayman S.
At the 2018 Detroit Motor Show Mercedes presented a new inline-6 3.0lt (twin charged) engine to be fitted to AMG 53 badged vehicles (CLS53, E53 coupe/cabriolet) that would incorporate mild-hybrid 48 volt battery tech and an electronic turbo to drastically reduce initial lag (and allow for larger turbo to be used) to boost power, said to be 435hp (326kw).
This engine comes in contract to Mercedes V6 3.0lt twin turbo AMG E43 engine (295kW and 520Nm) and E400 (245kw and 480Nm) engines without the hybrid power.
Such E-boosting anti-lag tech came to my awareness when it was implemented in a mk3 Audi TTRS that was made into a concept car called the TT Clubsport turbo. This car back in 2015 produced 592hp (441kw) in an inline-5 2.5lt thanks to augmenting a 48 volt battery powered e-turbo to a significantly larger exhaust-driven turbo.
The e-turbo 48v mild hybrid tech has already found its way into production in the VW group with it used in the new Audi SQ5 SUV, a 3.0lt V6 Bi-turbo diesel 5.1 sec 0-60mph became the fastest production diesel SUV at its launch.
Also a car that has been drawn to my attention just today is the Infinity Q60 Black S concept wanted to incorporate hybrid power to target 500hp from there 3.0lt V6 twin-turbo.
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When I consider the BMW B58 engine comparing in power and size to the Audi TTRS 2.5lt making 400hp I have to consider the possible engine for the Supra to be a low rpm torque biased eco-motor. This is not acceptable as the carrier of Toyota sport-car dreams for spirited driving.
Perhaps my opinion is ill informed concerning the more powerful N55 revised M2 engine using forged internals. In my mind this is still an engine coming from 2011 technology and is too long ago to be accepted for a 2019 production year Supra.
I seriously doubt Toyota will be given the 2019 arriving BMW S58 (m-division) engine targeting 440-450hp, succeeding the S55 M3/M4 engine.
The halo Supra engine in my mind needs to come with forged internals to be tuner friendly from the factory, and needs to incorporate the latest hybrid tech that is already being found in various Mercedes and Audi vehicles that are set to expand significantly in the next 5 years (and probably be the main feature tech of the next 5 years as direct injection with twin-scroll turbo were the feature of the last 5). If Toyota/Gazoo Racing does not include such lag reducing hydrid tech in their halo model then they will be behind from the start and this will drastically reduce the appeal of the car for me. I will see it then as little different from getting a BMW 140i, 240i or M2. I want something to rival the Cayman S and potentially the base 991.2 Carrera.
This model means significantly more to Toyota for sports cars than is does to BMW for their Z4. This car with its stiffer chassis over a convertible needs to be a category above the new Z4 in performance.
My own current car is an mk2 Audi TTS (200kw 2.0lt turbo) and from my experience with this coupe with good looks (which the Supra most certainly must be primarily) is that I would be happy to have the ZF speed auto over a DCT if it means sufficiently better low speed refinement and torque handling ability for tuned cars. I would also be happy for 2 seats only if the boot cargo area is large as most of the time I have my rear seat flat anyway. The most annoying thing with my car is how sluggish it is off the line at lights for first 10 meters and up to 3,000rpm. While I am sure larger capacity and twin-scroll turbo would help somewhat, I think much of the issue would still remain (discounting catless e85 for production car). The only tech I see that will push me to upgrade to the new supra is the instant high-torque ability of using an electric motor at low rpms. The Halo supra should target power around 315-340kw while being 70-85% of the price of a Cayman S.
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