Supra Nurburgring Time?

[BMWAF]

The fastest Supra Nurburgring time I can find on the web is 7:52. Are we really saying that the new Type R is around 8 seconds.. faster?

https://www.drive.com.au/news/2023-honda-civic-type-r-nurburgring-record/

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[FLtrackdays]

Surely that has to be who’s driving, stock tires, vs track tires. I pass type Rs all over my local tracks. Pay me to give it a try. I’ll do it . If/when Toyota decides to put a pro driver with R compound on the track, I’d love to see those times

 

[Kolme]

The original Nurburgring time was in 2019 prior to the horsepower bump, suspension revisions, etc. An official time hasn’t been recorded since then, however the 2021-2023 Supras have seen modest track time improvements elsewhere in the world.

It’s hard to estimate exactly where that would put the freshest iteration of Supra on the Ring’, but I’d imagine it’s around the original 7:40 that Tetsuya Tada expected. Though, I don’t think focusing on the ring is always a great idea - too many manufactures just build cars for the ring (and not the real world).

Also, I think anyone 20-23’ can get great times by a few simple mods and tuning. Supras have the right formula, just needs some enthusiast tweaking here and there.

https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/gsbz5tloobl0

 

[FLtrackdays]

The original Nurburgring time was in 2019 prior to the horsepower bump, suspension revisions, etc. An official time hasn’t been recorded since then, however the 2021-2023 Supras have seen modest track time improvements elsewhere in the world.

It’s hard to estimate exactly where that would put the freshest iteration of Supra on the Ring’, but I’d imagine it’s around the original 7:40 that Tetsuya Tada expected. Though, I don’t think focusing on the ring is always a great idea - too many manufactures just build cars for the ring (and not the real world).

Also, I think anyone 20-23’ can get great times by a few simple mods and tuning. Supras have the right formula, just needs some enthusiast tweaking here and there.

https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/gsbz5tloobl0

Wow. I didn’t know it was that much of a difference in specs. This Supra is quite capable. I do love Honda and their products. S2K still on my mind. The Type R is great and much respect (but not for its Nurburgring times however).

Local buddy has a stock 2020 Supra and I’m almost reaching his times. He’s definitely the better driver than all of us Supra drivers down here in FL. I’m almost there. Even then, my car is inherently faster being a 2022 with SPL parts. Yet he’s still faster

So yeah, that being said, I love seeing even a step further with pro drivers (times) at various tracks in our Supras. Another friend is currently driving a sweet race Porsche in WRL and another team with the Supra is killing it! The Type R is just not in the same league to produce Supra/Porsche/Vette lap times. Personal preference and what you want to do with the car is what it’s all about. Can’t wait till you get yours @Imfao

 

[DarkZupra]

Local buddy has a stock 2020 Supra and I’m almost reaching his times. He’s definitely the better driver than all of us Supra drivers down here in FL. I’m almost there. Even then, my car is inherently faster being a 2022 with SPL parts. Yet he’s still faster

A fast driver in a slow car will ALWAYS be faster than a slow driver in a fast car.

Thats why spec miatas with their 160hp pass me regularly.

 

[BMWAF]

The Type R is just not in the same league to produce Supra/Porsche/Vette lap times.

According to the link provided in one of the posts above, The old Type R actually bests the Supra on both Virginia and Dunville.. as well as the Nurburgring!

I know there's a bunch of variables.. but its certainly something to think about.

 

[Kolme]

According to the link provided in one of the posts above, The old Type R actually bests the Supra on both Virginia and Dunville.. as well as the Nurburgring!

I know there's a bunch of variables.. but its certainly something to think about.

Lots of variables. The Lap times posted are never going to be apples to apples when the driver mod is considered.

in regards to the Type R at the ring. Take a look at this thread.
https://fastestlaps.com/articles/is...g-nordschleife-front-wheel-drive-record-legit

 

[DarkZupra]

I had a 19 type R. Ive been regularly passed by Type-Rs at fast tracks. They are crazy capable cars.

 

[Kolme]

I had a 19 type R. Ive been regularly passed by Type-Rs at fast tracks. They are crazy capable cars.

I think they’re great. John Cena has one and swears by it.

 

[FLtrackdays]

I think they’re great too. Just haven’t seen a fast one on track. Yet…

They definitely don’t have the grunt ours does out of an apex. Pretty easy to overtake. And they’re not at MX5 weight in the corners. But… they do look good in my rear view mirrors.

 

[DarkZupra]

I think they’re great too. Just haven’t seen a fast one on track. Yet…

They definitely don’t have the grunt ours does out of an apex. Pretty easy to overtake. And they’re not at MX5 weight in the corners. But… they do look good in my rear view mirrors.

Theres a black one on bronze titan 7 wheels at sebring pretty often when im there. he is crazy fast.

 

[BMWAF]

I guess what I'm saying is that I expected the Supra to be in a higher league to the Type R, but it sure doesn't seem like it's.

 

[DarkZupra]

I guess what I'm saying is that I expected the Supra to be in a higher league to the Type R, but it sure doesn't seem like it's.

Im actuallly not surprised the 2020 is a similar time to a Type R. If for no other reason than the high speed bump steer. Lots of high speed corners at the Nurburgring means lots of places to deal with that. Maybe they will take a newer spec. Or maybe someone in Germany who tracks their supra will set a time with a modified car.

 

[FLtrackdays]

I guess what I'm saying is that I expected the Supra to be in a higher league to the Type R, but it sure doesn't seem like it's.

Put me in coach

Updated local BMW leader board at Sebring. Lots of disparity. The cool guy running it added @1slow_mk5 up top. In his locked 2020

Where the Type R fits, good question. I just haven’t see any running sub 2:35s yet…

Maybe @Rocksandblues sees more at VIR?

 

[FuzzyRev]

The original Nurburgring time was in 2019 prior to the horsepower bump, suspension revisions, etc. An official time hasn’t been recorded since then, however the 2021-2023 Supras have seen modest track time improvements elsewhere in the world.

This has been driving me insane for two years now! During other track (road course) tests, the 2021 kind of beat the piss out of the 2020, but several of the biggest publications haven't bothered to re-test the updated cars for their leaderboards, nor has Toyota felt like publishing 'ring times, even though they've been there with every version of the car. Based on some other tests, the 23 MT might even be a bit faster than the 23 AT on certain courses, simply due to gearing, but until more people feel like putting the work in, we'll never know.

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