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The same offenders keep the environment low-grade. Are also the ones who post the most. It is a catch-22.

Just because one turd smells worse than the other does not mean you pick up the better one.

If i need to remind you and others, the OP has called this forum the "worst" in 20 years. You are part of that "worst". Incredible.

I will say that some responses did reply factually and without vitriol.

OP was spot on - this forum is absolutely in a dismal, toxic state. Both OP and myself had presented legitimated, kind requests for feedback, only to be treated like sewage.

@Syeeee you think I would talk about fornication and cuss on one account, and have a Bible verse on another? No sir - I am a Christian of the John MacArthur (aka literal Bible) variety. Check Pastor MacArthur out. Listen, even adulterous thoughts (Matthew 5:28), are sinful in the eyes of a holy...

This is not a troll post. Why would you say that? @TSMC Shield - what kind of "deal" did you get?

@Syeeee ...LOL what! Why is that thread still on your mind?

Test drives will come - I am in incipient stages. I was going to drive a Supra - but it was automatic and I had little interest and it did not work out that day. I have no interest anyways in an automatic Supra - so when/if I buy a manual Supra new, it will have to either be an...

depends on credit- for some (myself) closer to 6% for a used car

f87 you meant. Buying a ~5 year old car (which the f87 will be) vs. a new car carries many implications. Thus the MKV (despite being about $15k more than a used F87), even IF not in the same league as the F87, will be chosen by some/many if for no other reason than being new, or at least, newer...

@SuupYota - your comment is just shortsighted my friend. Respectfully. Would one who owns a MKV but nonetheless stirs the pot be a troll? By your logic, they would not. Nor can you call my serious question(s) "stirring the pot". A troll is one who purposely attempts to incite folks for no reason...

See my earlier post below for what the article's author meant by "league above". Gotta love @Rocksandblues and @Syeeee - calling a man a troll, when ironically, it is they who troll! Fanboyz make me Laugh.Out.Loud. The MKV has been faulted SO many times in this thread that I hope more folks...

Well the article was about the f87 (MY 2016-2021) being the better car than the mkv

What we are discussing is that a prolific car pundit said that the F87 M2 is in a league above the MKV. A "league above" did not have to do with how fast it performed on a track, but in the way it feels when you drive it. But the comments about G87 motors making 1000hp is news to me - that is...

Yes indeed, few are getting electic p/s right today. Porsche is a master at it. are you saying my sig further evidences that I am AI? I would volunteer the following to you: AI is very bad at providing a Biblical answer to theological questions. Whereas my sig is very VERY narrow (see Matthew...

Indeed- but one needs the hours during the off-time OR some fat stacks to pay the mechanic to keep the older cars in fine shape. You can get by in mediocre shape, but if ones wants that original feel - fine shape will take stacks of Benjamins (diy or not).I have had my fair share of e90, e46...

@johnnyskids - the evo.co.uk author did pretty much expand on what he meant by league above (MKV chassis not as stiff as it could be, chassis will bite you, inability to maintain traction even @ moderate power, unsettled over inferior pavement, transmission programming needed iterative...

if everyone was like you - i would consider that

Well now that we are back at camp - we have a contrasting opinion! Clutch, shifter feel superior in the Asian brand over the German!