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let's think about this logically. the most likely scenario, imo, is the use of the B58 block (closed deck ftw) in both cars. this just makes too much sense. from engine mounts to transmissions, too much would have to change if you change the block... the head? this is where things get...

the ZF 8 speed is AMAZING. DCTs are unnecessary in this class of car. we're not talking about supercars here. as mentioned, the giulia quad uses the ZF 8 speed and it's tuned so well most people can't tell it isn't a DCT. ATs have a few advantages over DCTs: -torque converter makes for smooth...

debacle? is it that bad? i thought it was more like fighting over the details. are major changes happening?

i find it absurd to stick useless rear seats in a midengine car. luckily it's only an option and their special versions like the GT430 are only 2 seats. the 86's rear seats are useless so hopefully they keep the weight down and dont add useless seats on the supra...

the evora is proof it's possible. the only question is why would you want to. all i see is excess weight. give me a shelf and a built in excuse to not drive anyone around...

how close to production is that mule?

so was the 380hp version the result of that? or are you saying Akio sampled the 380hp version and it still wasn't enough? im just praying all that extra stuff is optional. make it a touring package. cuz all that added weight will turn a sportscar into a grand tourer real quick...

is it safe to assume the 4 cylinder will be a 100% BMW engine while the Spec-B is a BMW/Toyota engine? i just hope the top of the line 6 cyl model has some distinct styling cues so it stands out from the "volume" 4 cyl model...

the leaked BMW document hasnt been wrong yet, and according to that we're getting a 4 cylinder version... it makes sense now that the 6 cylinder has moved up both in price and performance. the only question is what is the performance and price of the 4 cyl version? $45-50k? it better have at...

:D i would be mad too if i were bmw. it probably trounces the M2... people who are all about price are the same ones that will complain when it's slow. i'd rather have a value GT4 than a compromised car held back by price. the scion FRS stank of that mindset. even at $70k, that's $10k+ off a...

i've read that article. like porsche, they will try to keep the MT around but its demise is inevitable. the F90 M5 was the first domino to fall for bmw....

remember when people thought the FR-S was going to be sub 20k? and then it debuted at 25k? i think people are WAY underestimating the price of this car. and we mustn't forget that german car msrp's are not a realistic representation of what the price is after options. the mythical 65k M3's are...

thanks for the new tidbit of info. this car was 1000% going to be AT only. people who thought MT and DCT were just grasping at straws. look at the new M5, it uses the ZF 8HP. even bmw has said DCT's will soon be replaced by modern AT's. i know this info is a deal breaker to many but such is the...

and you can understand why a toyota bean counter couldnt care less about you drifting/auto-xing... because for every one of you, there are like 3 mid life crisis dads who want a supra and cant drive stick.... sorry, you lose. such is the state of the automotive industry... the 86 is cheap...

every transmission has to be crash tested, epa rated, etc. and that takes money. toyota is simply unwilling to spend that money because they know they will never make it back. there simply arent enough buyers to justify it's existence. sad but true....

it's not validating their decisions, it's understanding them. it depends what you mean by compete. take some of their market share? sure. present a better value? yes. but sell more cars than them? no. out perform them on the track? hell no...

this is the FALLACY that everyone falls victim to... those other cars aren't competitors! the thing i've learned is that toyota makes cars that fit THEIR standard, and do not try to "compete" with other brands. they offer what they think is a good overall package and that's it, take it or leave it.

Man this whole thread is filled with people who are going to be monumentally disappointed. this car will be a faster 86. nothing more, nothing less. it'll most likely have a bmw engine. it'll most likely be auto only. it'll most likely be $50-60k. if that isn't what you are looking for, start...

i think toyota is just trying to keep the name "celica". likewise i've always doubted the ft1 being called "supra"... if it does, it'll be like the new nsx, it'll never live up to its legendary name.

great article. i think there is a chance toyota uses the B58 bottom end and a 6 cylinder version of the 8AR-FTS head. besides their ubiquitous valvetronic and the S55-like closed deck, i dont see anything too spectacular from the B58. on the other hand, toyota uses D4S, VVTi-E that allows...