justbake
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Were the NA (aka base model) MK3/4s called Celicas?This is the answer to those clamoring for a Turbo 86.
Why not just name the 4-cylinder a Celica(not Celica-Supra).
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Were the NA (aka base model) MK3/4s called Celicas?This is the answer to those clamoring for a Turbo 86.
Why not just name the 4-cylinder a Celica(not Celica-Supra).
Nope. They were all in I6 guise. “I6 = Supra”. Celicas were 4 bangers.Were the NA (aka base model) MK3/4s called Celicas?
My point is that numbers of cylinders are irrelevant to this conversation since MK3/4s as well as the MK5 each have a 'base' model. The difference here being that BMW no longer has an NA I6Nope. They were all in I6 guise. “I6 = Supra”. Celicas were 4 bangers.
I get your point. I would prefer it this way: Toyota would use BMW’s turbo I6 with lower power output for the base trim, and a more powerful version for the upper trim level/s.My point is that numbers of cylinders are irrelevant to this conversation since MK3/4s as well as the MK5 each have a 'base' model. The difference here being that BMW no longer has an NA I6
Going that route would be an option, but it wouldn't put a large enough dent in the price point (4 cyl is rumored to be 1/3 less in line with Z4 pricing.) The 991.2 is in a different price league and doesn't have a comparable sibling. So in their case a 15%-20% price difference is possible.I get your point. I would prefer it this way: Toyota would use BMW’s turbo I6 with lower power output for the base trim, and a more powerful version for the upper trim level/s.
Just like the Porsche 911(991.2 onwards) nowadays. Carrera and Carrera S share the same engine, while the latter being the more powerful version.
Besides, Toyota collaborated with BMW because of the I6, which is the heart & soul of Supra.
1/3 less is compared with the I6 or I4?Going that route would be an option, but it wouldn't put a large enough dent in the price point (4 cyl is rumored to be 1/3 less in line with Z4 pricing.) The 991.2 is in a different price league and doesn't have a comparable sibling. So in their case a 15%-20% price difference is possible.
1/3 less is compared with the I6 or I4?
60k-40k = 20k -> 20k/60k -> 1/3 lessRumor for US price guidance:
40,000 - 4cyl
59.9k - 6cyl
Dealers may set price accordingly. As such, 2019 cars are expected to be pricey to say the least, unless they impose some sort of restriction (unlikely IMO).
If this will turn out to be true, then it would sound like Toyota wants to sell more I4 than I6 Supra. Isn’t it?60k-40k = 20k -> 20k/60k -> 1/3 less
No, the logical natural progression, considering that what they are finally delivering to us is a car with essentially the exact same size, wheel base and suspension design as the 86, would have been to do a 2nd gen of the 86 with Subaru and give us an 86 variant and a Supra variant off the same platform, and stick their new TT V6 in it for the Supra. That would have been the logical, quickest and most economical thing to do, not to mention keep all the Toyota purists happy. Despite what Toyota claims about these Supra purists they supposedly talked to, the general consensus on this forum from people who have actually owned Toyotas before is that they would have preferred a turbo Toyota V6 under the hood to a BMW inline 6. Instead they partnered with their own luxery brand's biggest nemesis, took 7 long painful years of development, and are giving us a 100% BMW that is a step back from the car its succeeding in most ways, and its going to cost at least 20% more then it should.Given the over 50% manual take rate for the twins I don't see why they don't just offer a stick in the 4cyl (Celica) Supra and replace the 86 with it.
As a manual BRZ owner I'd be interested in it even at the $40K asking price. Seems like a logical natural progression.
Sure, if it was made in Japan or Asia. But I don't think there is anyway to get that BMW platform down less then $35k with any engine under the hood. Maybe if they shipped it without an interior lol.