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My point exactly, the fact that a Mustang GT is even compared to a Supra is a shame. It should exceed it in every category, including power. Per my earlier comment, a Supra is not supposed to be cheap. It's a halo car - bump the performance to supercar levels, increase the in-house R&D and...

I'm not forgetting this, but that point is irrelevant since it also affected the NSX pricing of the time. This is also evident in the LHD vs RHD values of the A80s in the present day..

A halo car such as a Supra was not "cheap or affordable to most" - that's what made it a low volume production / selling vehicle. For cheap and performance, there's a Mustang GT with 460hp. A Supra should be on a whole other level or three above that. For reference, in '94 my TT 6sp was darn...

It would be great to see something competitive from Toyota around 550hp-650hp+ mark, manual transmission, developed in house, low volume production, and of course overbuilt (able to hold 1000hp++ on stock longblock/transmission).

So is this a halo vehicle, or a profit maker? Yes it would have been bigger, but perhaps more comfortable; heavier, but perhaps more powerful, and $75k is actually right in line with what my A80 was in '94 accounting for inflation. And it would have been a Toyota product. There's two sides to...

In what sense?

I went by the '93 figures of $45k for MKIV TT 6sp in '93 is roughly $75k today. $100k for 964 turbo in 93 is roughly $180k today. Not sure what those people are complaining about - something has to give, either heritage or cost. For a halo car, I'd say former is more important. The point I was...

Where did you get the $140k price point from? Surely if a smaller company such as Nissan, can manufacture Godzilla and sell at $100k, Toyota can create something attainable in the $75-80k range that is built in-house and has revolutionary performance? How much financial sense did the...

No argument that the car doesn't deserve a chance or that it isn't a great car. But I can see how some are not happy with the collaboration for a company's halo vehicle, especially when taking such polar opposite companies. Additionally, there was such a great leap between the MKIII and MKIV...

Looks like I've really ruffled some feathers in here. Oh well, I suppose opinions are like assholes... everyone's got one. Ditto. The 911 Turbo was a $180k car give or take in 1993 too, readjusted for inflation. Yet the MKIV was still able to compete with it in a lot of categories. Carry...

You're comparing to base 911, not 911 turbo. http://porschecarshistory.com/porsche-964-turbo-3-6-vs-ferrari-512-tr-vs-toyota-supra-turbo-road-track-mag-081993/

It's pretty simple... Toyota built product with limited involvement by other manufacturers, proven long-term Toyota reliability, punching way above its weight (ie. 911 turbo competitor, not Cayman).

IMO that is generally the standpoint many of those that have not experienced a MKIV, especially in its hey day. Nearly no one is arguing that the Zupra is not a great car, but is it a great Supra? Those who have experienced the glory that is TT 6 sp and BMW side, mostly seem to have a different...

Good acceleration numbers for the Zupra. Has anyone done testing for 60-130mph? Good.. good. Love watching the MKIV prices grow.. I'm expecting some big $$$ :yes:

Thanks for the info, news to me. Glad to hear they're working on what is hopefully a more powerful version with other transmission options.

As many currently see it, there's no other MKV Supra other than the 335hp / auto configuration. This is a new platform that many are still unfamiliar with so get ready to make these posts again and again princess if you get so worked up about not everyone staying up to date. When they do build...

No flame war, simply an educative discussion :thumbsup: I'm well aware of the MKIV history. My current 6sp was one of the top higher powered cars at TX2K3 and TX2K4, when anything over 600whp was fast. But that is only in the states, not internationally. For comparison, the only cars that could...

I would like to point out, if Chevrolet can make a manual Z06 with 650hp, Toyota can do it too. Or at least with a dual clutch. I take it you already know what I mean too. Was the MKIV dominant in drag and highway racing - sure. But it also competed in other motorsports, especially...

But only about ~11k for US market, out of which only ~7k were actual TT cars (auto and 6sp), out of which only ~4k were the most desirable TT 6 speed cars. While obviously still nowhere near 2000GT or LFA numbers, it seems that Toyota plans to sell a lot more MKV's. Flop or not by sales figures...

And how is that any different than than MKIV owners hearing it's "all about drag races, high way rolls, and making 1000hp"? Agreed. And that is what is unfortunate, the car does not seem special/exclusive enough. You would think that a flagship sportscar from such a big car company would...