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Carbuzz isn't the primary source. They're just citing Creative 311, but yeah I wouldn't get too excited until we have a Toyota press release.

Do you have the link to that by any chance?

Because all BMWs look alike lol. :p

Here is the refresh 8 series. It looks like BMW just changed up the front bumper and grille a bit. Before After

Probably because the former is just hearsay whereas the latter is a bit more concrete. If the media did report it on I bet Toyota would request them to take it down asap like with the leaked roadmap story. If they don't comply they could be faced with being black listed on future events, inside...

I wasn't thinking about the business side of things. I was more so wondering about any tidbits like a confirmation on their side, important dates to watch out for, production rates, will it come on both the 2.0 and 3.0 and so on.

I'm just curious on what the BMW Gods have to say on the matter.

Strange, they're usually the first ones to update us on the changes and updates to the Z4 and Supra lol.

Any updates? Thanks for the 411.

Most likely 2023 will see the manual but the facelift probably won't happen until 2024.

So the 3.0 Z4 is getting a manual as well?

Wouldn't all that stuff be able from the Euro spec 2.0 Z4?

Thanks for the link. I never looked up the numbers, just went with what everyone keeps saying on the web about manuals being popular in the Europe lol.

Yeah probably. Does anyone know if the B58 is offered with a manual? For the U.S. I would agree, but I think manuals sells like hotcakes in Europe.

Do you guys remember that BMW insider saying if a manual isn't offered on the Z4 than the Supra wouldn't be getting one either? So if this happens, does that mean the Z4 is getting a stick as well?

If Toyota doesn't make yearly changes people will complain, and if they do make yearly changes people still complain. Can't win with some of these people.

I don't remember if this has already been posted or not. :hmm:

In the new video by AutomotivePress it now says this is not a collaboration with any other automaker.

I'll pass on the front bumper but I'm loving this side profile. No fake door vent and a functional fender vent is a win in my book.