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They both have their plus and minus, but the Z's interior looks cheap. The materials look like cheap plastic used in GM cars during the early and mid 2000s. Since that's where must of us will be spending most of our time I vote Supra. The only reason I might be tempted with the Z is the manual...

Koons Westminster Toyota has 4 of them. All listed for $47k. https://www.koonstoyotawestminster.com/new-inventory/index.htm?search=supra

The teaser shows that it has a lot more going on in the side skirt / lip or whatever you what to call it than the Bestcar render.

:yes: Woman killed in Md. crash was set for trial on DUI, gun charges 2 days later https://wjla.com/news/local/woman-killed-md-crash-trial-dui-gun-charges Just hit $8.5k...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/two-people-killed-in-gaithersburg-crash/2020/09/10/81fd5e9a-f352-11ea-b796-2dd09962649c_story.html

SMH... Go to Copart.com or IAAI.com and type in Z4.

Yup, many people felt the same way. :( Well you can add me and Mr. Leno to generic LFA list. :p 1:45 mark

The C8 stole the Supra's thunder because the final product was a disappointment compared to the FT-1. I'm agreeing with you that it doesn't have to be a "mid-engine" to look good. But the overall design was compromised because they had to fit a FT-1 shell over a Z4 platform. IIRC you pretty much...

Ok cool.. I never said or disagree that a hypothetical A90 with the rear engine wouldn't have still been a Cayman fighter. Again, just for shear looks. Using the Cayman for example I think it looks better than the Supra. Eh, LFA looks generic imo. I would say proportions and design are key.

I never said it did. A cheaper example is the C7. I think just for shear looks a mid engine has a more exotic look.

I think you knew what I meant :p Just because GM didn't doesn't mean that Toyota is now not shooting themselves in the foot for not listening to Tada.

Thanks for the updated numbers. I guess I was going by old figures. Here is the M2 from 2017 via bimmerpost. The latest teaser look good to me so far.

The Vette went mid engine, perhaps Toyota is wanting to follow suit.

Let's cut it down to just sports and sporty cars. The manual rate for the M2 and 86 is like 50%. I believe with the C7 depending on yr was anywhere from 40-30%. Lots of people think the Supra is fugly. To each their own. How about we wait for the official unveiling?

Let's just ask the sources. @ynguldyn and @A70TTR, is the end of production still scheduled for 10/2025?

Does that mean the LC-F is still a go? :D