Dannyvandelft
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I doubt it's possible. You can only get certain parts from other teams. Definitely not whole cars like you used to. Considering the source here (PlanetF1) this is just a bunch of nonsense.
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FLtrackdays
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Lots of optimism with that team for sure. Sounds like, from Christian’s point of view, regardless of the car or team (Checo point and case), Max is at another level right now. Interview below, Christian sounds sincere as hell when asked about their success. The Max factor being that winning edge. It’s just his opinion ofc. But I’m starting to believe it as well….
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FLtrackdays
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Just for fun I tried the Bing AI search engine and asked it to compare a F1 car with an Indy car. I had to feed it the info. Ask the questions 1st, then ask it to put it in a chart. But still, pretty cool
The average lap time a COTA is what really got me. Phenomenal difference!!!!
The average lap time a COTA is what really got me. Phenomenal difference!!!!
Dannyvandelft
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And on top of that, Indy cars "cheated" because they didn't have to stay on track.Just for fun I tried the Bing AI search engine and asked it to compare a F1 car with an Indy car. I had to feed it the info. Ask the questions 1st, then ask it to put it in a chart. But still, pretty cool
The average lap time a COTA is what really got me. Phenomenal difference!!!!
This is how they took the tight turns, if they followed the exact same line F1 cars did, they'd be at least 5 seconds slower still.
FLtrackdays
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Okay… that even tops it!
And on top of that, Indy cars "cheated" because they didn't have to stay on track.
This is how they took the tight turns, if they followed the exact same line F1 cars did, they'd be at least 5 seconds slower still.
I’m still having a hard time wrapping my head around those lap time differences. Now you add there are no track limits with those Indy car times ? Incredible!!!!
Wait until America ?? finds out & even more start watching F1 ($$$). That TV series (for example) 100 days to Indy constantly has drivers, owners, celebrities (David Letterman) stating these are the fastest cars on the planet & motor racing sport. A little research goes a long way. Thx for sharing!
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Dannyvandelft
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And things like these are why American drivers just don't cut it in F1. They don't get the "education" you get in European series. If they want a good American driver, they need to start really young, and race in Europe. Coming from Indy cars they're just too far behind.
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As you noted above, there is quite a bit of difference between the two. But I think there is more than just pure lap times that makes one more appealing than the other.
Here's some examples, Indy has 3 different types of tracks, oval, track, street, where as F1 only has two types, track and street. Indy car has two engine choices, GM and Honda, F1 has 4 (Merc, RB/Honda, Ferrari, and Renault). Indy does rolling starts to races, F1 only does that if the track is wet and behind a safety car. If you looked at what the highest speed traveled by a driver/car in each you'll find that Indy actually has a higher top speed (Ovals). The cars themselves are a lot more similar in Indy than in F1. The pit crew stops are longer, there are typically more stops. Two tire choices for Indy where as F1 is always 3. Fuel economy is a lot more of an issue with Indy as they typically add fuel every pit stop where as F1 they no longer do that. Indy car can have a broken rear wing, suspension bit, etc, and the team will fix it and send the vehicle back on the track. Indy has push to pass where they can use it whenever they want, but for only so many seconds per race, F1 has the DRS zones. There are more cars, teams in Indy, some even popping up for just a race or two per season (that doesn't happen in F1).
While I too prefer F1 and feel like it's the pinnacle of driving, technology, and entertainment, I do find Indy Car has a lot going for it as well.
I'm not really a NASCAR fan, but I will tune in when they do a track or a few weeks ago they did a street course and it was highly entertaining. But I feel Ovals are the least fun race types to watch personally.
gixxersixxerman
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Fastest motorsports in the world is drag racing. Nothing is faster the TC/FC besides speed trials and thats single car "racing". After that i do believe it is actually Indy car, they hit 240+ before and they hold their top speed much longer around a oval then F1. That said, nothing compares to the lap times a F1 car can do.... EXCEPT.... Porsche took the limits off their 919 LMP1 car and set a track record over LH W09?? car at the time.
I guess my point is, there is always someone faster lol
I guess my point is, there is always someone faster lol
Dannyvandelft
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Fast is relative. F1 cars are made for cornering. They experience fighter pilot type G forces. Ovals are pretty much never-ending straights. They modified an F1 car, think it was a Honda, for straight line speed and it hit 260something. If F1 cars were purpose built for ovals, I'm sure they'd do well past 270. The tires would be the limiting factor if anything.
The Porsche was incredible, it showed what they could do if there were no regulations.
The reason F1 cars are so heavily regulated is simple, if engineers like Newey got free reign, the cars would be SO fast, the world's current tracks couldn't host them. The safety requirements simply aren't there. Runoff areas would have to be 3 to 4 times bigger, cars would have to be much stronger, etc, etc.
FLtrackdays
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Exactly this! I love all racing and cars. I just didn’t realize there was as much disparity between Indy & F1 cars HP considering similar weight. I asked a few other fellow car lovers like myself and this certainly isn’t advertised that way over here. After following (discovering) F1 racing, it’s clearly the Pinnical of Motorsports (even my stupid iPad automatically put capital letters there ?).
No shitting on Indy car or drag cars by any means. They are all great in their own ways. I appreciate the track a bit more because I like to drive my Supra on one myself. It’s fun to see what I can do to make it go faster and keep it running at the same time. Mega appreciation to all these guys and all forms of motor racing ?️ ?
Dannyvandelft
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That's because Americans love to call themselves "World" Champions at sports only we/they play. Basketball, Baseball, NASCAR, Indycar, etc. Nobody outside the U.S. gives a crap about that. You go onto the world stage, F1, Soccer, etc then things are drastically different.
Indy 500 promoters call it the "greatest race on Earth" or some dumb shit, and it's not even in the top 5.
FLtrackdays
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That is true and why they are called promoters ? I bet F1 will continue to catch on like wildfire over here. Just a guess…
As far as other sports, America seems to do pretty well in the Olympics. But true with soccer and others. We are very isolated. Glad to see some things are changing with the times. Boxing, MMA, baseball & basketball, we do okay
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