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Suebra This way the mk4 enthusiasts who worship the Supra nameplate can ensure their idol's reputation remains pure. :bow: The rest of us who want a nice toyota sports car can carry on ;)

Oh he knew, that's what makes it terrifying

Does the countdown timer know something we don't know?

Give me a BMW wrapped in a toyota shell

I mean what do you expect him to say? yes? The car is getting a BMW i6, its not getting an M engine. Those are the current BMW i6 engines (n55/b58). Pretty sure the b58 is replacing the n55. As far as the specs of the engine, since its already out in the wild, the info is readily available.

Beige with gray cloth seats

I enjoyed your comments through and through

BMW interior is much better than a traditional toyota interior...also the BMW infotainment system is far better than Toyota's and Lexus's. I think the interior is ideal.

I don't know what else to tell you.

Why don't you quote the part of the article where they say the recession was caused by making lavish vehicles for me pal?

No, you are making that assumption. If you think they are suggesting that the market corrects itself based on what cars are manufactured then you are either naive or ignorant.

Correlation does not mean causation. The author is simply pointing out the correlation between the production of Japanese sports cars and market contractions. You don't have to be a clairvoyant to predict market contractions and recessions...they happen about every decade. The article says...

I don't think you understand the article. They aren't saying that car makers caused the recession but rather that Japanese car makers tend to make sport cars right around the time recessions hit.

Number 9 is the hardest truth pill for me to swallow. Number 5 is also a bitter pill. Why do you think they plan these cars around recessions?

Lmao Ya I'll be cruising to bed bath and beyond laughing at all the moms with their crossovers and kids

It's alright, that's the nature of the game baby. I can't wait to drive this thing to the grocery store.

Same, I won't pay over msrp but the dealers are simply doing what they do best, playing off the hype of the car. Best play is to buy it in the winter or end of the model year. Hopefully the 2021 model doesn't have many changes.

Either way I'll buy it in winter new or through Carmax a few years later. In either case, I hope the very top of the line trim is a lot of unnecessary stuff I won't need. I'd like the performance that's it. No need for navigation or wireless charging since my phone and an $11 charging pad from...

So guff basically saying it'll be about 54k

If you look at the truecar value of a base rc350 f sport you are looking at 47k minus 3k from msrp based on the truecar value.