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I don't know. The 2.0 Z4 starts at $50k without any options. So $7k cheaper seems like a deal. I think people look too much at JUST the horsepower rating, and not enough at the rest of the package. Small engine Audis and Mercedes go for the same kind of money, so in my opinion it falls right in...

Yeah the market is going crazy. I'm glad I got my deal on paper for the GRC. But it's going to be like that with all cars. The Z will be marked up like crazy too. The new CTR. Porsche dealers are asking, and getting, $100k over sticker on GT4 RS, and that's not even a number limited car.

Yeah exactly. But you know the type. "an enthusiast only drives manual" That's why the ultimate enthusiast companies like Ferrari, McLaren, Lamborghini, etc don't even offer them anymore. Enthusiasts spend hundreds of thousands on those cars. It's just plain ignorant to say that. We're...

I'm not comparing them at all. You're just being difficult because you got something against me personally, which is your problem. All I'm saying is there's people on here that consider a manual Civic an enthusiast's car, because it has a manual, but not a Cayman GT4 RS because it has a PDK...

People get caught up in it, because that's how the industry sells cars. Billions of dollars are spent each year on cars which are marketed on the Nurburgring and how fast it goes around and how much faster it was than it's competition. Performance numbers sell.

Stupid comment. My point is (again) nobody is arguing a manual is an enthusiast's car, but some "special people" say that automatics/DCT's aren't.

Yup! Imagine saying with a straight face a Civic Si with a manual is an enthusiast's car, but a Cayman GT4 RS with a PDK isn't ?

Yeah pretty sure like mentioned above, the 992 GT3 manual has been out for a while.

I just hope it'll be a GOOD manual, and not a sloppy one. Like the STI manual which is awesome, vs the awful manual the regular WRX gets. Not all manuals are equal lol.

Yeah I waited especially for the Refraction Blue. I assumed it had a HUD when I ordered it, but when I found out it didn't, it didn't matter to me. It's a gimmick. All I cared about was the paint color.

Funny you said that, I said the exact same thing to the wife at the dealer when we test drove a yellow one with the hideous wheels. We're saving $4k not having to buy aftermarket wheels.

Obviously I can, otherwise I'd want the HUD ? It's just money. Can't take it with you, so have fun while you're young.

Yeah that speedo 3 inches above the speedo really make a difference ?

Wrong. That's exactly what I did for my A91, and exactly what I did for a GRC. It shows the dealer you're serious, and in turn Toyota. I gave the dealer a $1k deposit the day after the A91 was unveiled, got my paperwork saying MSRP, as soon as the allocations were known I knew I was getting...

All MK5 Supra's are A90's, A91's have blue stitching on the interior, easiest way to tell a black A91. And the Refraction Blue color can only be found on 2021 A91's. A91 CF have the carbon exterior bits and special half black and red seats.

Probably bespoke gearing.

That's a cool touch, I like that.

My guess would be a Toyota dealer ?

I'd say so.

Yeah I get on it too. Average is 17 MPG or so. If I cared about MPG I wouldn't drive this ?