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Any time you put more power into a car while leaving the important components (i.e. suspension) OEM generally mess up the balance of the car, especially any forced induction car in which a tune can make a huge difference. I don't disagree with you about the weight, but that's a known fact...

I get that you have your own opinion, but saying the GTR is a one trick pony in straight line speed is completely inaccurate. Maybe the stuff you have done to your cars turn it into total crap in corners, but the car is a lot more than a muscle car. It just so happens that 99% of the people...

State taxes and registration should be pretty obvious, but the misc. fees like document fees, process fees, dealer fees are all bullshit. If they can't break it down for you, I would just walk. This is one reason why I hate buying cars PERIOD. The last time I bought a brand new car from a...

Sounds like you have a daily and just want a weekend car/track car.....GTR is my vote. If it was more of a street car, MKV Supra, you pay Toyota price for a BMW-ish car. Two very different cars though, so it is hard to pick one or the other. Driving the GTR on the street is 99% boring. For...

Buy a Supra and a tune, no other modification needed if you want more power only. IMO, using either the GT500 or GTR as a daily is stupid. I own a GTR, while it is relatively comfortable I wouldn't want to daily it. It eats gas and pretty stiff for the streets (2017+ is likely a lot better...

59K new for the GT350? You better buy that over the Supra.

Probably a bad business decision to roll out something that shares so much with the ND Miata but doesn't perform quite as well and with a higher price tag. The second issue is the affordable roadster market is a segment that has been dominated by Miata and S2000 in the last 10-20 years, and...

Don't think they are truly uneducated. They just hope the potential buyer is uneducated and take advantage of them. TBH, is pretty hard to lie to the customer with a poker face. :rolleyes:

It's not a BMW.

All BS about special lifts. They may need some adapter that sticks up to the receptor in the undercarriage to prevent damage, but that's about it. Most mechanics in the dealership don't give a shit about damaging your pinch weld.

It is not, but the majority of the reviews so far sounds the ZF transmission is close to a DCT (instead of a traditional slushbox) in operation. I haven't driven one with a ZF trans yet, so I cannot judge how good it is. Power is not everything, but I see your point. But isn't the actual...

The two have very different philosophy and probably attracts totally different customer base also. I must say I like the GT350 a lot, and admit that I wouldn't mind owning one just for that sound track.

Not yet after 10 years. It is boring on the street but when you get to do it on tracks or autox, the DCT is awesome. I am sure if people can look pass that, the Supra will be awesome.

Hard to say, maybe if the C8 was still front engine/RWD config, people probably won't cross shop between the two, but with the new one being a mid-engine, some may actually be pulled to the C8 just because it is a "different" Vette from before. Or maybe neither will sell well because they don't...

Not sure if you are serious. This argument of "modifying" to compare to a complete factory car is just flawed. Once you start tuning the car, it becomes a different game. You can never compare anything modified to something that is out of factory. Sorry to say the truth here. The C8 will...

Ha...I mean if an additional 10K is not a deal breaker, you would be a little silly not to pick the C8 over the Supra based on pricing and platform alone. Obviously, it still too early to tell which car will be better to drive, but the C8 debut really screws up the Supra debut just a few months...

https://racer.com/2019/07/05/toyota-confirms-customer-program-for-supra-gt4/

Yeah big * here. But we can at least conclude the Supra is in fact somewhere between 335hp and 380hp. It probably will not be faster than the US Spec Z4 in a drag race.

No, never.

Ok, I guess that's fair point. But I would say though, the newer generation of cars are hiding their weight really well (e.g. GTR, Camaro, C7 Vette etc.) and their performance don't seem to suffer a lot. Sure, lighter weight will still be preferable, but I wouldn't write the new GT4 off just...