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It’s a little bit more than three things when you take a closer look. And I don’t believe in further changes until official release. But what you also can see is, that the Supra interior is different from the upcoming Z4. The Z4 will come with the new iDrive 7 interior design like it has...

So glad you understood what I wrote. :cool:

Sorry, but this is childish and stupid :banghead: :doh:

I do understand why people love their favorite brand. But I will never understand why people “hate” a cars brand. Making a bad experience can be the reason to be more critical or don’t like a brand. But hate? I had one very good and one very bad expressions with Toyota, but still like this...

Hopefully it takes so long cause they’re doing their best to not deliver green bananas to early adopters.

Wish and hope you are right. ;)

Whenever I would like to speculate on prices for upcoming Supra / Z4 I refer to the last Z4 price list. As you can see the most expensive Z4 with DCT was about 48,600 € without tax. The biggest 4 cylinder just 9,500 € lower (with AT). I think the new Z4 will be a few bucks more, but still...

Depends on the country/region. In Germany - for example - spare parts for Japanese or Korean cars are often more expensive than those for BMWs.

Maybe they get dismantled, like BMW does with its pre production cars. Lots of them find their end in Eastern Europe, little later you can buy some parts on eBay. But I actually don’t now how Toyota handled them.

It’s not only what I believe, it’s how it feels like after all that’s known so far. I do not question your statements. You are indubitable the expert. I’m not, not just a little. I’m just a customer who likes both brands and is interested in what happens in this project. So what I feel and...

Thank you and please excuse my fault. Is it representative for other markets? Does anyone has the numbers for worldwide sales?

Guff, I really really do respect you in person, your expression and your knowledge with no discussion. And of course Toyota / Tada-San may have said that. But something inside me makes it feel like they have to say that keeping their face true. So when I read “Tada helped BMW to better the...

Not only this drop. Looks like they never came back up with the A80. Very interesting. Which market is this from? Worldwide? So the A80 was all over the years sold less than the A40 in its worst year? Why?

Of course it is. It’s a roadster. Can’t be lighter than the technical same based Coupe. More luxury means more options on interior. First Z3 was too sporty. Last Z4 was too heavy and comfortable. Next Z4 will be best mix of both, sharing parts with the M3/M4. In direct comparison the Supra...

:rofl: Tada helped BMW to better the Z4. :rofl: Sorry so much, but what do you guys think happened!? In between you all should know that I like Toyota nearby as much as BMW. So don’t be worry with me opening your eyes: The upcoming Z4 is a pure BMW. There is nothing from Toyota in it. No...

Sorry, but did you guys read something about the upcoming Z4? It already has been tested by several journalists. No one said it’s comfortable or luxury cruiser. https://www.bmwblog.com/2018/06/29/behind-the-wheel-of-the-new-bmw-z4-roadster/...

You are damn right! Petrol is expensive in here (because of the taxes) and engines with high volume and high consumption are getting more and more rare. On top the “save the environment” politics are forced that much that it even hurts. Don’t misunderstand me: Saving the environment is...

Maybe the 3.0 inline 6 is the only option for you (and me too), but don’t forget the “smaller” 4 cylinder version. I think this will be the one that sells more often (all over the world). It’s not only the Supra Lovers in here that are waiting for the MKV since a long time. The market is much...

I do agree with you in most points. But the NSX is not suitable for a comparison in my eyes. It’s a quite different kind of car at a much higher price, so the range of potential buyers is much smaller. Let’s see what will happen. I would bet the MKV will sell better than every Supra in the past.

So will it be a failure if you don’t like it? Thank god everybody can have his own opinion. I’m sure Toyota won’t fail. But I’m repeating myself and don’t want to bore you any more.