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BMW has the i8 at 3,455 lbs and the manual M4 at 3,565 lbs. http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/Vehicles/2017/i8/BMWi8/Features_and_Specs/BMWi8Specifications.aspx http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/Vehicles/2018/M/M4Coupe/Features_and_Specs/M4CoupeSpecifications.aspx

You aren't exactly the sharpest tool in the shield are you? It looks plain, boring, bloated, and unfinished. Which is the point of putting camo over a prototype. Yes a two door sports car looks like a midsize sedan, ok. You are retarded for complaining about how a prototype looks with its camo...

I'm kinda hoping for an Enzoish look.

It looks plain because they drill panels into the car to disguise the real design. Also just a quick reminder of what the almighty MK4 looked like under camo.

I wouldn't mind if it turns out like the red render. It seems to be a good balance between the concept and prototype.

I don't know the extract time period. I just recall in an interview where Tada san said the Toyota board was up in arms about lending their D4-S to Subaru for that joint project, but gave in at the end. The same argument can be made here. By the time this thing shows up the LC500h could be 3-4...

Just playing devil's advocate for a moment. I also don't believe we will get a hybrid, (at least not anytime soon). But didn't Toyota give Subaru their DS4 system for the 86? And the agreement between both automakers did state they will both share their diesel and hybrid technology with each other.

I believe 'Supra' is the only name Toyota has trademarked at moment.

Same, I have been tempted by those $500 per eye ads.

First, welcome and don't be shy. Yeah you're right. A new 3 has already been spied testing. A new M3 can't be too far behind. X2, if this sucks I blame Toyota for allowing this abomination to even take place.

Well if we go back in time the Z4M did really poorly. BMW dealers had to give up to a $10k discount in order to move them. Plus we now have a M2, its somewhat comparable. So I acutally don't blame BMW for not wanting to make another one. However when it comes to Toyota it would be extremely sad...

Not only that, but a potential "Z4 M" may eat away from M2 sales.

How hard is it to throw in a S55? Heck at this point I would even be ok with the M2's N55. I do understand the logic behind it. They don't want it to outperform the M2 & M3/M4, but that is a lame excuse IMO. The only little hope I have is BMW's new CLAR platform. I believe it has saved anywhere...

Randy tweeted that it wasn't him testing the prototype.

Lol if it turns out looking like this monstrosity :puke:

I was expecting way more than 335hp. Tada san told us 'but new Supra means big power'... :what: If all the above is true, than I think the only thing that can redeem this abomination performance wise would be a very light curb weight. So far, all the online rumors and word of mouth specs are a...

If Toyota wanted a cheaper base model for chicks and poor people than I would rather they just stick in the NA 3.5 2GR. Agree, TTV6 from the LS :headbang:

Not that most of us care, but hopefully that means the Toyota will follow suit and drop some more camo soon. http://www.carscoops.com/2017/07/new-bmw-z4-spotted-with-lighter-front.html

Yeah but it isn't that far off. Focus RS @4.6, WRX STI @4.7, and Golf R @5.1. Anyways I hope the 4 banger model doesn't come to the US. I'm more excited about the two possible 6 cyl versions. In typical BMW fashion, I expect the new upcoming mid level 35i to outperform the current 35is...