Formula 1 Talk

[Zoomie]

Lando is having a great run of form. All he needs now is for Max to have an off, or a mechanical failure. I think the last 5 or 6 second-place finishes show Lando's a top talent when he's in a fast car. It must be so frustrating to keep coming second, but better to be second than no-where like the first half of the season.

Poor Charles is suffering a bad string of luck, but I can't help but feel Ferrari is just like the typical "Italian Car" stereotype. They look great, sound great, and they're fast cars when they work. Unfortunately they aren't reliable and spend half the time in the shop!

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[kaj]

Makes you wonder what Alonzo could do in that Red Bull ?. It’ll never happen but damn that was such a great fight between him and Checo. And kudos to Checo for putting it all together again.

https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/i...-kept-sergio-perez-faster-red-bull-bay-brazil

And sounds like Mercedes is truly worried about maintaining 2nd place in the constructors ?

https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/i...abels-mercedes-brazil-performance-inexcusable

Obviously anyone who could adapt to that car would be fast. Seems like not everyone can. Add to that experience and a great awareness/race craft and I think there could be two of three drivers that *could* be in Max's position. Maybe not winning every race by 10 seconds or more, lol, but first in points and maybe even a two or three time champion.

 

[johnnyskids]

Pretty much every driver and every team have stated almost all year that RB and Max will be very hard to beat for the next two years, that’s not news, and it’s also not a shock. With the regulations not changing for another two years it will take a stroke of genius by the engineers.

RB and Max are the perfect pairing of team and driver, change one and the results would be significantly different. Maybe RB could win a Championship without Max with that car, but it would likely be closer. But I don’t think we would see as dominant season from Max if he was driving the Mercedes, McLaren, Ferrari, etc car. That’s not to say that Max isn’t hugely responsible for the teams success, just that without the right car and team he certainly wouldn’t be this dominate.

You see this all the time with amazing drivers who have crap cars and teams and don’t perform as well. Alonso, Kimi, Seb, even Schumacher, when the car or team wasn’t good they struggled mightily.

The most impressive seasons I think are when it’s between two drivers of the same team fighting for the championship, thus taking the car and team out of the equation.

 

[Dannyvandelft]

The most impressive seasons I think are when it’s between two drivers of the same team fighting for the championship, thus taking the car and team out of the equation.

I disagree. When it's the same team, they have to tread lightly between their support to both drivers. Balance everything out. Who gets the upgrades first, etc.

No I'll take seasons like 2021. The full might of two teams behind their lead drivers. Regardless of how it ended, 2021 was absolutely insane. Of the 30 seasons or so I've seen, easily the best. Every race was a roller coaster.

 

[gixxersixxerman]

I disagree. When it's the same team, they have to tread lightly between their support to both drivers. Balance everything out. Who gets the upgrades first, etc.

No I'll take seasons like 2021. The full might of two teams behind their lead drivers. Regardless of how it ended, 2021 was absolutely insane. Of the 30 seasons or so I've seen, easily the best. Every race was a roller coaster.

Agreed, despite the controversal ending, that was the best season of F1 Ive ever seen also. It had everything.

 

[Zoomie]

Agreed, despite the controversal ending, that was the best season of F1 Ive ever seen also. It had everything.

In isolation, I will grudgingly admit F1 and "Michael" got the call wrong in the final race of 2020. Everyone wanted to see a racing finish but it went against the established rules and wasn't fair to Lewis and Mercedes.

BUT, I'm a firm fan of justice. I've reconciled this 'unfairness' as karma for the PIT maneuver Lewis pulled on Max in Silverstone that sent the Redbull into the wall at 53G. Accident or 'innocent contact', the crash and Lewis' gloating after the race are all the excuse I need to accept the controversy in Abu Dhabi as karmic justice to end the season.

 

[Denton]

I've reconciled this 'unfairness' as karma for the PIT maneuver

Ah, BUT! if Lewis wins the championship, does he drive as aggressively at Silverstone?!? Was it karma or some kind of mysterious force pulling the strings of F1 for its own devilish pleasure!?

I pretty much see most sports as the same: In the moment you might have a favourite or a way things 'should have gone', but none of it really matters if they can all go home at the end of the day - also I remember how much I'm paid, and how much pro athletes are paid... *sigh*

 

[Dannyvandelft]

In isolation, I will grudgingly admit F1 and "Michael" got the call wrong in the final race of 2020. Everyone wanted to see a racing finish but it went against the established rules and wasn't fair to Lewis and Mercedes.

BUT, I'm a firm fan of justice. I've reconciled this 'unfairness' as karma for the PIT maneuver Lewis pulled on Max in Silverstone that sent the Redbull into the wall at 53G. Accident or 'innocent contact', the crash and Lewis' gloating after the race are all the excuse I need to accept the controversy in Abu Dhabi as karmic justice to end the season.

I disagree. Lewis asked to pit, Mercedes denied him. Max had to make the overtake under racing conditions, and he did. Max did what he had to do. You can't fault him, or RedBull. Masi was within the rules, that's why they amended them for the season after, to clarify them. Mercedes made the wrong call. But instead of taking it on the chin, they wanted a scapegoat, and Masi was it.
If it wasn't for Silverstone (and Hungary) Lewis wouldn't even be in a position to challenge. The right man won in the end.

Masi wanted to finish under racing conditions (the teams agreed to that before the race so Mercedes knew) so he did just that.

Had Lewis pitted with Max, he'd still be ahead on fresh tires.
Had Lewis pitted and Max stayed out, he'd have been behind Max on fresh tires and would've passed Max on his old tires, like Max ended up doing.

Mercedes took the third option.

 

[Zoomie]

I'm fine disagreeing on this and l appreciate the reply. It was definitely an exciting finish in 2020 and I was so happy to see some competition. I'm not a fan of LH and it got old hearing "get in there Lewis" after every race. For some reason I see Hamilton's humility as false. Every one of these guys HAS to have an ego to do well in this sport but for some reason Lewis feels especially fake sometimes.

For what it's worth, I'm not a huge Verstappen fan either - but I can still recognize that they're both incredible talents behind the wheel. I'd love to see someone else on the top step for the last couple races this year but that car is a rocket ship.

 

[Dannyvandelft]

I'm fine disagreeing on this and l appreciate the reply. It was definitely an exciting finish in 2020 and I was so happy to see some competition. I'm not a fan of LH and it got old hearing "get in there Lewis" after every race. For some reason I see Hamilton's humility as false. Every one of these guys HAS to have an ego to do well in this sport but for some reason Lewis feels especially fake sometimes.

For what it's worth, I'm not a huge Verstappen fan either - but I can still recognize that they're both incredible talents behind the wheel. I'd love to see someone else on the top step for the last couple races this year but that car is a rocket ship.

McLaren is getting close though. Lando did really good. Las Vegas is an unknown, new track, cold temps expected, so who knows. Abu Dhabi will be RedBull I think.
But yeah I hope it's closer next season. It's awesome watching history being made and seeing 70 year old records fall, but I'd like to see a challenge next year.

 

[Denton]

It was definitely an exciting finish in 2020 and I was so happy to see some competition. I'm not a fan of LH and it got old hearing "get in there Lewis" after every race.

Shit, you're gonna fuckin' HATE Max by the time 2026 (and likely beyond!) rolls around

 

[gixxersixxerman]

Just a little over a week for my home race

 

[Denton]

Just a little over a week for my home race

They got the cool kerbs tho:

 

[johnnyskids]

In isolation, I will grudgingly admit F1 and "Michael" got the call wrong in the final race of 2020. Everyone wanted to see a racing finish but it went against the established rules and wasn't fair to Lewis and Mercedes.

BUT, I'm a firm fan of justice. I've reconciled this 'unfairness' as karma for the PIT maneuver Lewis pulled on Max in Silverstone that sent the Redbull into the wall at 53G. Accident or 'innocent contact', the crash and Lewis' gloating after the race are all the excuse I need to accept the controversy in Abu Dhabi as karmic justice ]

I don’t blame RB or Max for what happened in 2021, they only played the hand they were dealt. But we were all ROBBED of a fitting ending to that season. In my mind Lewis has won 8 championships and Max only two so far. What happened in Abu Dhabi was no one’s fault other than the race director. What his motivation or incompetence was to finish the race like that I have no idea but he ruined such an epic season.

 

[Zoomie]

But we were all ROBBED of a fitting ending to that season.

For me, it WAS a just and fitting end to the season because Lewis got 26 points in Silverstone I don't feel he deserved. A 10 second penalty for sending your only rival into the wall is no penalty at all. By itself the decision at Abu Dhabi was probably wrong. When you look at the season as a whole, the right driver got the championship.

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