Good value any more - UK Supra

[Craig172]

Have got mixed feelings about this having had one in 2020 and also ordered the MT this year. The Supra has been out now for 4 years or so now and is another 5K more than it was at launch (just under 60k for the Pro 3.0) yet with the same 335 HP as it had 4 years ago for the Uk.
Whilst I love the design and the MT Special edition with the new alloys, interior colours etc, a lot of sports cars, suv's etc surpass or equal this BHP now. I know its due to Eu emissions and whilst BHP is not everything it would of been good for it to be have some upgrades and not just stuck at a static 335bhp.
Equally Ive noticed on Autotrader that the cars are hanging around now for a long time, where as turnover used to be pretty quick, are buyers looking else where now for better value alternatives ?

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[jtsang25]

Have got mixed feelings about this having had one in 2020 and also ordered the MT this year. The Supra has been out now for 4 years or so now and is another 5K more than it was at launch (just under 60k for the Pro 3.0) yet with the same 335 HP as it had 4 years ago for the Uk.
Whilst I love the design and the MT Special edition with the new alloys, interior colours etc, a lot of sports cars, suv's etc surpass or equal this BHP now. I know its due to Eu emissions and whilst BHP is not everything it would of been good for it to be have some upgrades and not just stuck at a static 335bhp.
Equally Ive noticed on Autotrader that the cars are hanging around now for a long time, where as turnover used to be pretty quick, are buyers looking else where now for better value alternatives ?

Does the UK version still have the 2020 2 port engine?

It's a 4 year old car, economy is shit, interest rates I assume are high there as well. Everyone that wants a supra probably already got one or on the list for the manual one. Getting into a used one is still pretty expensive.

 

[MK_Surrey]

The demand for the Supra has never really been there in the UK from launch.

Not many people are going out to buy a 2 door 2 seat coupe in this economy.

They were previously being offered at 0% and now just under 9% for new. Used rates worse and a lower future value, given how early everyone is buying on PCP in the UK now.

The UK market is very family / SUV orientated. Look at how many fast SUVs you see. The market demand for a 2 door 2 seat coupe is very limited and those that are in the market go elsewhere or aspire to get into 911 territory as their fun Dad car.

The above factors do make the Supra exceedingly rare and a somewhat unique offering in the UK. Which for me, as an owner, is a very good thing.

 

[Craig172]

yep thats the one the 2 port. Even the new special edition manual one is are hanging around at less than 2k less than list price. There's a new Auto one at 4.5k off list New One which has been advertised since the end of March, they are just not moving.

 

[Craig172]

The demand for the Supra has never really been there in the UK from launch.

Not many people are going out to buy a 2 door 2 seat coupe in this economy.

They were previously being offered at 0% and now just under 9% for new. Used rates worse and a lower future value, given how early everyone is buying on PCP in the UK now.

The UK market is very family / SUV orientated. Look at how many fast SUVs you see. The market demand for a 2 door 2 seat coupe is very limited and those that are in the market go elsewhere or aspire to get into 911 territory as their fun Dad car.

The above factors do make the Supra exceedingly rare and a somewhat unique offering in the UK. Which for me, as an owner, is a very good thing.

I take your point, but I see loads of newish Audi TTS, RS on the road, which is essentially a 2 seater coupe, Cayman S and Alpines and then look at the Emira, with a waiting list of around 18 months, so the money is there, but seems to have changed what its buying?

 

[Supra_UK_]

As MK_Surrey said the demographic here is completely not interested in this type of car.

That's not to say they don't like what they see, they would just never 'step out of line' in the british conformity. Always easier to get an SQ5 or an X3 M40i to "fit in".
The TT is sadly dead now anyway, and the RSs were always rare...
Every time I take mine out I can see the envy / regret in people's faces at tescos

I have to say though I agree on the engine non sense, as a '23 MT owner, I thought I wouldn't mind it, but I actually am annoyed that I 'only' get the 335 version; It's just absolute horse sh!t, all the BMWs get the full fat m40i with 375 ish bhp, but the Supra being the only actual sports car, doesn't?! wtf. *triggered*

 

[Craig172]

I would say theres always been a heathy customer base for two seater sports car, always has been in the UK. Yes a lot want fast SUVs and so on but also have a second car. Loads of car enthusiasts and retirees have got weekend sports cars, hence the popularity of the Elise, Z4, MX5, Alpine and other 2 seaters. At the moment I have a Focus RS mk3 with 375bhp as my daily and an MX5 ND for the sunny days, which is a great combo to cover all bases.

The TT is n't dead yet , they are still in production until end of 2023, the Uk is one of its best markets, and you can still order them, including the final edition. A bloke on the same road has just got a shiny red RS and theres a convertible RS in the next street, so more common than you think .... at least up North!

I guess my point is that, is is the UK Supra good value anymore with its restricted engine power and asking nearly 60k for them now and I think this is born out in the slow sales in the Uk. Even with a 4k discount they are nt shifting unlike the US where they seem to still be sold often with a markup but do have the extra horses, engine strut braces etc - may explain the reason for the difference in demand.

 

[Crypto79]

As MK_Surrey said the demographic here is completely not interested in this type of car.

That's not to say they don't like what they see, they would just never 'step out of line' in the british conformity. Always easier to get an SQ5 or an X3 M40i to "fit in".
The TT is sadly dead now anyway, and the RSs were always rare...
Every time I take mine out I can see the envy / regret in people's faces at tescos

I have to say though I agree on the engine non sense, as a '23 MT owner, I thought I wouldn't mind it, but I actually am annoyed that I 'only' get the 335 version; It's just absolute horse sh!t, all the BMWs get the full fat m40i with 375 ish bhp, but the Supra being the only actual sports car, doesn't?! wtf. *triggered*

You should made a better showing in the revolutionary or war of 1812. You would’ve got the winners swag like the 6port engine the Americans do

 

[Craig172]

You should made a better showing in the revolutionary or war of 1812. You would’ve got the winners swag like the 6port engine the Americans do

Haha, but same restriction applies to the rest of Europe too, looks like we are stuck with the 2 port.
I believe the original argument from Toyota was EU emissions based, however with the BMW m40i etc on the Uk market this argument does nt really hold up now, so what's the excuse now Toyota?

 

[Crypto79]

Haha, but same restriction applies to the rest of Europe too, looks like we are stuck with the 2 port.
I believe the original argument from Toyota was EU emissions based, however with the BMW m40i etc on the Uk market this argument does nt really hold up now, so what's the excuse now Toyota?

Good natured jokes aside, there are no true emission regulations except for absolutes and fleet avgs. BMW might be will to take the hit to their collective score for the 6 port which is still down compared to the global versions where Toyota wasn’t.

 

[Craig172]

This article from 3 years ago, pretty much sums up the EU regs applied to Uk Models Pistonheads Looks like BMW got around this with the M340i etc at 375bhp but no go from Toyota UK

 

[awretham]

Can I just add that although the Supra on book has 335bhp, rolling road figures often show them closer to 375bhp stock. Also, the torque matches (or comes close to) that of the new M40i; they're both around 500nm.
And, the Supra IMO has a sole, BMW / Audi's don't (they're tools / instruments.)

 

[Craig172]

Can I just add that although the Supra on book has 335bhp, rolling road figures often show them closer to 375bhp stock. Also, the torque matches (or comes close to) that of the new M40i; they're both around 500nm.
And, the Supra IMO has a sole, BMW / Audi's don't (they're tools / instruments.)

That would be nice but most dyno tests for the 335 BHP are upto 10bhp extra max no where near 375bhp CarandDriver. I think the UK Supra is great but with its UK limited bhp output & unlikely to get the upgrade is it not falling behind and getting surpassed by new rivals?

IMHO you get some great cars for a lots of makes eg Audi's eg R8 and BMWs i8, Z4M, some mad M cars too as well as Toyotas range ' surely thats what makes car market so exciting.

I love the look of the Supra its very unique but not the lack of engine upgrades and other missing parts eg Strut braces etc in UK models when asking nearly 60k nowadays.

 

[Sunstorm]

Honestly if the extra horsepower and strut brace are the only things putting you off, both are easily solved with modifications.

Other options I've looked at haven't tempted me away from the supra, including a recent test drive in the Emira, which was nice but just not nice enough make me want to trade my 2019 supra in yet.

 

[Craig172]

Sunstorm, I dont want to pay nearly 60k and have to then pay £1000's to mod it, invalidate the warranty, just to bring upto what already exists in other countries as factory standard, thats my whole point. Especially as the newer engine is now in UK BMW's theres no excuse.

Re the Emira, its an amazing car but too wide to fit into my garage ! Plus its around £80k, whereas some 3.0 Supra Pro 21 reg's are now around 40k which can then look good value. Talking of which my first 70 plate 3.0 Pro supra bought in 2021 from a dealer, I paid just 41k and it was just 6 months old, now that was a great deal

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