Formula 1 Talk

[romanLegion9574]

The difference is Lewis did it on purpose, and Max didn't. Max is awesome, but even he can't calculate a tire bouncing off a sausage kerb, onto Lewis' tire, and then over his car lol.

Max left TWO car widths space, somehow Lewis' tire still found Max's.

Max is fully alongside, Lewis has loads of room on his right, but squeezes Max onto the kerb. Kerb bounces Max's car in the air, and they end up going off.

Egregious claim that Lewis did it on purpose. Nobody is in F1 with the intent of driving to put others in the hospital. It was lap 1 with cold tires, and Lewis was in aerowash, so less grip, which led to the understeer. That was a mistake on Lewis' part (more factors for the crash to attribute to him, so I'd go something like 65-35), but Max also cut across leaving virtually no room for error. Just a few frames before your picture, you can see them almost alongside, Max swinging out wide and then cutting back for the corner to carry speed.

And looking at Monza, that photo doesn't tell the full story; crashing both of them out wasn't on purpose, but that photo seems to make it appear like Max was already alongside on the straight to be entitled space for T2. Lewis was coming out of the pits so his rotation radius would probably not allow him to stick to the inside without cutting the pit lane and putting himself into traffic going at full speed. And if you watch more of the replay, Max is still behind Lewis when he starts braking at the 150 marker on the outside of T1 and only drives into the vortex of danger by virtue of Lewis needing to take the tighter angle out of the pits. Checo had a similar approach with Stroll on the same corner but backed out. My best guess is Max was driving frustrated after the bad pitstop RB had.

And to be clear, I'm not trying to show Hamilton any favoritism here. I'd be making the same case if it was Alonso, Yuki, Checo, or even Christian Horner in the other car (maybe not Ocon, always a penalty for Ocon).

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[Dannyvandelft]

Egregious claim that Lewis did it on purpose. Nobody is in F1 with the intent of driving to put others in the hospital. It was lap 1 with cold tires, and Lewis was in aerowash, so less grip, which led to the understeer. That was a mistake on Lewis' part (more factors for the crash to attribute to him, so I'd go something like 65-35), but Max also cut across leaving virtually no room for error. Just a few frames before your picture, you can see them almost alongside, Max swinging out wide and then cutting back for the corner to carry speed.

And looking at Monza, that photo doesn't tell the full story; crashing both of them out wasn't on purpose, but that photo seems to make it appear like Max was already alongside on the straight to be entitled space for T2. Lewis was coming out of the pits so his rotation radius would probably not allow him to stick to the inside without cutting the pit lane and putting himself into traffic going at full speed. And if you watch more of the replay, Max is still behind Lewis when he starts braking at the 150 marker on the outside of T1 and only drives into the vortex of danger by virtue of Lewis needing to take the tighter angle out of the pits. Checo had a similar approach with Stroll on the same corner but backed out. My best guess is Max was driving frustrated after the bad pitstop RB had.

And to be clear, I'm not trying to show Hamilton any favoritism here. I'd be making the same case if it was Alonso, Yuki, Checo, or even Christian Horner in the other car (maybe not Ocon, always a penalty for Ocon).

Be it as it may, Lewis has tapped quite a lot of rear wheels in his career, and a 7 time World Champion knows exactly what he's doing. If they can be millimeter precise in Monaco, they can certainly be that in Silverstone where the track is wide enough to land a small airplane.
His "he turned into me" is widely regarded as a bad joke up and down pitlane.
As far as Max being behind Lewis at T1 in Monza, Lewis is coming out of the pits at 80mph and Max is coming down the straight at 200+. Of course he's going to be behind at first, he had a lot more distance to cover braking to get to the same corner speed. Max was alongside before T1, and all the way through T2. And per the rules was entitled to a car's width.

 

[FLtrackdays]

Any of us that drive on track know exactly what it’s like when you’re carrying too much speed in or out of a corner/apex. We’re like focccckkkkkk… as you carry that speed off track or further over the rumbles. If we were to ”correct” that extra speed (turn the wheel) while on or over the limit, it’s not going to go well. So you either drive it out and hope for the best when you regain control after slowing down or scrubbing it off. That’s always better than turning the wheel after you’ve committed to that extra speed.

I don’t know either of those cases as well as you guys. But they do appear to be in a turn and not in a straight line. If those guys were indeed fighting for their fastest times against each other - ohhhhhhh snap!!!! Is what it sound like. Some one has to back down either before or after the apex. Looks like they choose after. I doesn’t appear either guy wanted to be the 1st one to back down prior to entry. You have to lift at some point. There’s now way around it.

The better answer. Max finally figured it out. Getting far enough ahead of your opponent by managing tires, waiting for the other guy to fcuk up, play the game and never bring it when you both are on point and at your limit. So I can watch it all day. The other guys/teams have a target/goal set and it’s still a great race behind Max. It’s also fun watching him excel in all areas of racing and watching him. It’s like watching two races imo.

 

[johnnyskids]

The better answer. Max finally figured it out. Getting far enough ahead of your opponent by managing tires, waiting for the other guy to fcuk up, play the game and never bring it when you both are on point and at your limit. So I can watch it all day. The other guys/teams have a target/goal set and it’s still a great race behind Max. It’s also fun watching him excel in all areas of racing and watching him. It’s like watching two races imo.

I know that you are new to this sport and really only have some shows and the past two seasons to base that statement off of but if you watched that entire 2021 season and then watched the past two seasons the MAJOR difference in Max’s driving is two fold, typically he rarely was threaten by Lewis (who seems to be the only driver he does this BS with) and his car is so incredibly superior to everyone else he can afford to play it safe, wait, and make safer lower risk passes because he doesn’t have to risk accidents to get pass guys or keep guys behind him. Make no mistake, if his car wasn’t as superior, and if Lewis was closer more often, he would be driving a lot closer to how he was in 2021. He looks amazing and unbeatable due to his car more than because he’s some kind of Jesus on wheels.

His career and how we will remember him will mostly be based off these few years and the next two where he should have similar results of these last two seasons. The only hope for a good season is either a team can nail their car somehow and challenge RB for a whole season, or RB gets a driver more capable of challenging Max internally (and actually let him race Max).

 

[Dannyvandelft]

Any of us that drive on track know exactly what it’s like when you’re carrying too much speed in or out of a corner/apex. We’re like focccckkkkkk… as you carry that speed off track or further over the rumbles. If we were to ”correct” that extra speed (turn the wheel) while on or over the limit, it’s not going to go well. So you either drive it out and hope for the best when you regain control after slowing down or scrubbing it off. That’s always better than turning the wheel after you’ve committed to that extra speed.

I don’t know either of those cases as well as you guys. But they do appear to be in a turn and not in a straight line. If those guys were indeed fighting for their fastest times against each other - ohhhhhhh snap!!!! Is what it sound like. Some one has to back down either before or after the apex. Looks like they choose after. I doesn’t appear either guy wanted to be the 1st one to back down prior to entry. You have to lift at some point. There’s now way around it.

The better answer. Max finally figured it out. Getting far enough ahead of your opponent by managing tires, waiting for the other guy to fcuk up, play the game and never bring it when you both are on point and at your limit. So I can watch it all day. The other guys/teams have a target/goal set and it’s still a great race behind Max. It’s also fun watching him excel in all areas of racing and watching him. It’s like watching two races imo.

Sure, but you're talking about THE best drivers in the world. There is nobody better, nobody faster, nobody more skilled. When we think "oh fuuuuuck" they are just getting started to get near the limit.

They're going 180mph right there. With the amount of downforce they generate at that speed, there is no understeer, understeer happens in slow corners when there's not enough air moving over the wings, and the mechanical grip reaches it's limit.

Other's have done the same thing. Prost on Senna in Suzuka accident #1 Senna on Prost in Suzuka accident #2
Schumacher and Hill were like magnets that entire season, Schumacher on Villeneuve.
Lewis knew exactly what he was doing. I don't think he wanted Max to get hurt, but he definitely wanted him out of the race.

 

[Dannyvandelft]

He looks amazing and unbeatable due to his car more than because he’s some kind of Jesus on wheels.

He thinks he's talking about Max but perfectly described Lewis instead ?

 

[Moorman]

Driving in Vegas always felt like the streets were coated in grease; factor on top of that for this weekend that it'll be cold and raining with no sun to help warm anything, can Pirelli even deliver a tire that'll grip at all?

 

[J29DB03]

Driving in Vegas always felt like the streets were coated in grease; factor on top of that for this weekend that it'll be cold and raining with no sun to help warm anything, can Pirelli even deliver a tire that'll grip at all?

Won’t matter, Formula 1 isn’t in Vegas for the race, they’re in Vegas for the show.

 

[gixxersixxerman]

Won’t matter, Formula 1 isn’t in Vegas for the race, they’re in Vegas for the show.

I mean thats what its all about to the business side correct? Look at Monaco, they don't race there because its great racing. lots of other tracks are sleepfests, they go because the dollars it brings in.

Everyone is saying this is going to be the worst race of the year, worst track design ever (like no one has ever seen Monza with 2 sweeping 180's and a sweeping 90 with a couple chicanes) and maybe it will be, or maybe it will be a great race. I also see tons of reports that it's going to be freezing, it'll be around 50-55* F1 has had plenty of races in those temps.

 

[Moorman]

Won’t matter, Formula 1 isn’t in Vegas for the race, they’re in Vegas for the show.

If you're not the one driving that's what all racing is.

 

[ColonelAdama]

I mean thats what its all about to the business side correct? Look at Monaco, they don't race there because its great racing. lots of other tracks are sleepfests, they go because the dollars it brings in.

Everyone is saying this is going to be the worst race of the year, worst track design ever (like no one has ever seen Monza with 2 sweeping 180's and a sweeping 90 with a couple chicanes) and maybe it will be, or maybe it will be a great race. I also see tons of reports that it's going to be freezing, it'll be around 50-55* F1 has had plenty of races in those temps.

People are being pessimistic for no reason - i just assume they're mad about another US race. There is nothing to suggest either way that it will be a good or bad race. I personally think any city circuit with a long straight will provide plenty of entertainment.

 

[J29DB03]

Maybe I am being pessimistic about it. Probably comes from the narrative of wanting to grow the sport in the US, then having a race in the US start so late in the night to make sure it doesn’t start too early for the UK and Europe. Just makes it all sound fake to me. I truly do hope the race ends up being good.

 

[johnnyskids]

Maybe I am being pessimistic about it. Probably comes from the narrative of wanting to grow the sport in the US, then having a race in the US start so late in the night to make sure it doesn’t start too early for the UK and Europe. Just makes it all sound fake to me. I truly do hope the race ends up being good.

Have you seen Vegas in the daylight? There is a reason it’s at night, Vegas is a night city and F1 loves a scenic setting for their races.

I don’t know why this GP wasn’t just before or after Texas race, then down to Mexico, and finishing off in Brazil. Maybe they didn’t want two races on the US back to back.

 

[Dannyvandelft]

I mean thats what its all about to the business side correct? Look at Monaco, they don't race there because its great racing. lots of other tracks are sleepfests, they go because the dollars it brings in.

Everyone is saying this is going to be the worst race of the year, worst track design ever (like no one has ever seen Monza with 2 sweeping 180's and a sweeping 90 with a couple chicanes) and maybe it will be, or maybe it will be a great race. I also see tons of reports that it's going to be freezing, it'll be around 50-55* F1 has had plenty of races in those temps.

Exactly. Look at Baku. The first race was absolutely awful. But the year after it was fantastic. Don't know till they try it.

 

[ComfortRacing71]

I have been waiting all year to watch this race and as all things that you stretch your enthusiasm out for a long duration it never lives up to your own hype. I agree though, this will be a sh1t show of a race this year but they will make corrections and it will get better year after year if they keep it on the books.

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