Formula 1 Talk

[johnnyskids]

Was it just me or did it feel like this break from F1 was considerably loooonger than the summer break? So glad that there will be some good racing to watch tonight and this weekend.

Any predictions on what teams might surprise after this longer layoff between races? I know Red Bull were stating that they wouldn't be able to "fix" their car until this race. Mercedes is said to have added some upgrades to help Lewis finish his time at Mercedes on a high note.

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[FLtrackdays]

Was it just me or did it feel like this break from F1 was considerably loooonger than the summer break? So glad that there will be some good racing to watch tonight and this weekend.

Any predictions on what teams might surprise after this longer layoff between races? I know Red Bull were stating that they wouldn't be able to "fix" their car until this race. Mercedes is said to have added some upgrades to help Lewis finish his time at Mercedes on a high note.

It seemed longer than the winter break for sure. I’m predicting more of the same… Will be interesting seeing Liam driving and how he does

...and Red Bull found with another iffy device on their cars...

Nothing to see here.

Yeah it’s a fine line of allowing teams to develop the cars and someone claiming foul. For any of these teams. Put a cup holder (or place for the tear offs) and someone is going to fight it

 

[romanLegion9574]

Will be interesting seeing Liam driving and how he does

He's so much better than Yuki. Yuki's overrated imo. Still making simple mistakes in his 4th year.

As for the race, as usual, stewards turning a blind eye to Max forcing Lando off twice

 

[BrettMRC]

Usual Max stuff, take the inside line and then let off the brake.

 

[FLtrackdays]

He's so much better than Yuki. Yuki's overrated imo. Still making simple mistakes in his 4th year.

As for the race, as usual, stewards turning a blind eye to Max forcing Lando off twice

I’m with ya on Yuki. I like the guy. But Liam is doing exactly what he needs to do. If he can keep this up, he’ll be maintaining that seat for next year. If it was in question at all?!? Who knows, maybe even getting the lead bull more points than Checo can

Usual Max stuff, take the inside line and then let off the brake.

It was good listening to the post race show 40 minutes in. Both commentators had a different perspective. Worth listening to. But I get it.

Where is that blue line?

 

[johnnyskids]

I feel like the stewards did a poor job this past weekend. It's not so much what they called penalties, it's the inconsistent calling of them. If a driver on the inside is ahead at the apex and makes the corner on track he should 100% keep his spot and if he gets passed off track that driver should give the place back or get a penalty. The key there is make the corner on track. Twice Max was ahead at the apex but did not get through the corner on track, forcing the other driver off the track in the process.

I'm singling out Max but he was not the only one that had done this during this weekend, with some of those drivers getting penalized and others getting a free pass. If it's an issue with the rules, fix it.

I feel for Lando because he was damned if he did or damn if he didn't. He can't be as aggressive as Max because Max would be fine if they came together and took each other out, he'd maintain his lead, but for Lando he must drive carefully not to cause a crash and take himself out of the race.

Now comes the portion where I praise Max, watching him this season, I'm actually more impressed than any of his previous years, and let me explain. While yes last season was historical, I get that, but the combination of a far superior car and other teams not advancing much were big contributions on that teams and his success. This season he doesn't have a dominate car, doesn't have any help from Checo, and yet he's able to maximize his results and it appears he'll be able to hold off Lando. That to me is more impressive. But others can feel differently of course, either way I'm complimenting Max.

 

[romanLegion9574]

I feel like the stewards did a poor job this past weekend. It's not so much what they called penalties, it's the inconsistent calling of them. If a driver on the inside is ahead at the apex and makes the corner on track he should 100% keep his spot and if he gets passed off track that driver should give the place back or get a penalty. The key there is make the corner on track. Twice Max was ahead at the apex but did not get through the corner on track, forcing the other driver off the track in the process.

I'm singling out Max but he was not the only one that had done this during this weekend, with some of those drivers getting penalized and others getting a free pass. If it's an issue with the rules, fix it.

I feel for Lando because he was damned if he did or damn if he didn't. He can't be as aggressive as Max because Max would be fine if they came together and took each other out, he'd maintain his lead, but for Lando he must drive carefully not to cause a crash and take himself out of the race.

Now comes the portion where I praise Max, watching him this season, I'm actually more impressed than any of his previous years, and let me explain. While yes last season was historical, I get that, but the combination of a far superior car and other teams not advancing much were big contributions on that teams and his success. This season he doesn't have a dominate car, doesn't have any help from Checo, and yet he's able to maximize his results and it appears he'll be able to hold off Lando. That to me is more impressive. But others can feel differently of course, either way I'm complimenting Max.

It appears to me attackers tend to be on the wrong side of "forced another driver off track" due to how entitlement of space works. On the turn Lando got the penalty, I saw a lot of simplistic arguments on reddit saying "Max was ahead at the apex and isn't entitled to leave space", but watching the full corner, it's pretty clear that Lando was ahead of Max's nose ahead of turn in and Max let off the brakes a little to intentionally run both of them wide. There's a case to be made here that running wide while defending should lead to "leaving the track and gaining an advantage" since you're running the attacker wide and preventing a fair attacking opportunity by exploiting a technicality in the rules.

And I agree, Max has arguably been more impressive this year than last still getting results to hold of Lando with the 2nd-3rd best car, although his wheel to wheel racing is controversial. Next year will be interesting with both McLaren drivers being good enough for race wins and Ferrari also being in good form. Unless Lando becomes stronger/more ruthless mentally, I think there's the chance of a 5 way battle for the title between Max, Charles, Lewis, Lando, and maybe Oscar. I think it might be McLaren vs Ferrari for next year's constructors unless Red Bull drop Checo.

 

[johnnyskids]

It appears to me attackers tend to be on the wrong side of "forced another driver off track" due to how entitlement of space works. On the turn Lando got the penalty, I saw a lot of simplistic arguments on reddit saying "Max was ahead at the apex and isn't entitled to leave space", but watching the full corner, it's pretty clear that Lando was ahead of Max's nose ahead of turn in and Max let off the brakes a little to intentionally run both of them wide. There's a case to be made here that running wide while defending should lead to "leaving the track and gaining an advantage" since you're running the attacker wide and preventing a fair attacking opportunity by exploiting a technicality in the rules.

And I agree, Max has arguably been more impressive this year than last still getting results to hold of Lando with the 2nd-3rd best car, although his wheel to wheel racing is controversial. Next year will be interesting with both McLaren drivers being good enough for race wins and Ferrari also being in good form. Unless Lando becomes stronger/more ruthless mentally, I think there's the chance of a 5 way battle for the title between Max, Charles, Lewis, Lando, and maybe Oscar. I think it might be McLaren vs Ferrari for next year's constructors unless Red Bull drop Checo.

Hard to say who will be fighting for the wins next season, I'm not going to cross off Mercedes and Russell or even Aston Martin and Alonso (with Newey).

If RB don't drop Checo for next season I don't know how they can justify the move to keep him. He's been really bad this season and hasn't really helped either Max or the team much at all. Who they take in his place, that's a good question. I could see it being Yuki, Lawson, Danny Ric, or even Carlos Sainz. You might say, but Sainz is with Williams next season, yes but I don't think it wouldn't cost much to get Williams to give him up for RB if the consolation prize is keeping Colapinto long term.

 

[gixxersixxerman]

Hard to say who will be fighting for the wins next season, I'm not going to cross off Mercedes and Russell or even Aston Martin and Alonso (with Newey).

If RB don't drop Checo for next season I don't know how they can justify the move to keep him. He's been really bad this season and hasn't really helped either Max or the team much at all. Who they take in his place, that's a good question. I could see it being Yuki, Lawson, Danny Ric, or even Carlos Sainz. You might say, but Sainz is with Williams next season, yes but I don't think it wouldn't cost much to get Williams to give him up for RB if the consolation prize is keeping Colapinto long term.

I forgot what article I read a few weeks ago, pretty sure it was on Autosport. Anyway, rumor is during RB sim testing Checo constantly outperforms the other guys that the Mexican sponsorship isn't close to the money they would lose from coming in 3rd in the championship. But that they don't think the other drivers can legit do a better job. If true or not who knows, but maybe that's why they haven't swapped seats. Everyone knows RB doesn't have issues cutting someone, maybe they just don't have faith in the other drivers.

And Colapinto has done a fantastic job, I hope he gets a seat here soon.

 

[RWhiz]

And Colapinto has done a fantastic job, I hope he gets a seat here soon.

I like Albon but I think Williams would be better off with Colapinto and Carlos as a line up and possibly dropping Alex.

 

[gixxersixxerman]

I like Albon but I think Williams would be better off with Colapinto and Carlos as a line up and possibly dropping Alex.

i 100% agree with you. Ireally like Albon, always have. But Colapinto has shocked me with how well he has ran toe to toe with Albon. I hate to see him go but agree a Sianz/Colapinto lineup does seem slightly stronger then a Sainz/Albon lineup.

 

[FLtrackdays]

And Colapinto has done a fantastic job, I hope he gets a seat here soon.

I like Albon but I think Williams would be better off with Colapinto and Carlos as a line up and possibly dropping Alex.

Amazed how well some of these new kids (Bearman, Colapinto, Lawson) are doing after watching Nyck de Vries combust when put in the mix.

Anyone see @Dannyvandelft lately?

 

[johnnyskids]

I like Albon but I think Williams would be better off with Colapinto and Carlos as a line up and possibly dropping Alex.

I think we all need to realize what Albon means to that team, make no mistake, he could have easily gone to another team, one that might be performing better at the moment, but he chose to stick with Williams and work with the team to get better. That level of loyalty and trust is hugely valued to a team such as Williams which is much more family based club than most other teams.

They are pushing hard to get better, hiring their new principle from Mercedes was the first step, signing Albon long term, and then Sainz after, all moves that are a push to become more relevant on the grid. Colapinto is a fantastic young driver, it would be a shame for him not to have a full time gig next season, but he could do a Liam Lawson and have a contract that stipulates he either gets a seat by the end of next season or he is a free agent to sign anywhere else.

 

[RWhiz]

Amazed how well some of these new kids (Bearman, Colapinto, Lawson) are doing after watching Nyck de Vries combust when put in the mix.

Anyone see @Dannyvandelft lately?

Not that Nyck is a bad driver, but his F2 championship didn’t have a lot of competition. I think that may have set his bar too high, then his fill in drive at Williams may have set it even higher. Then the poor kid lost all his money he made while in F1. Tough case his.

 

[johnnyskids]

Not that Nyck is a bad driver, but his F2 championship didn’t have a lot of competition. I think that may have set his bar too high, then his fill in drive at Williams may have set it even higher. Then the poor kid lost all his money he made while in F1. Tough case his.

You always have to wonder why a driver such as him was so old before they got a chance with an F1 team, you certainly nailed the description on why he was sought after. He didn't exactly blow anyone away in Formula E this past season either, I always cheer for ex F1 drivers in any other motorsport but he just doesn't seem like a very capable driver. Maybe his F1 stint did damage to his mental health and now he has to basically rebuild his confidence in himself.

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