Engine development is probably the most expensive bit of the car, mostly due to the sheer amount of parts, the risks so the engineering and evaluation takes a long time.
Driveline and chassis come next.... then the body.
Engine in itself is a machine so is its own project/development.... and...
Crazy talk.
You might as well buy a manual Porsche...
The amount of Work and money required to get an auto/DCT driveline into a manual is what race garages or heavy modification companies do... And they're budget is not logical for a production car....
It's auto/DCT... Until Toyota or BMW...
From my knowledge of European engines... When it reaches 30,000 Miles or 50,000 Kms.... It becomes expensive and unreliable. They are highly strung From the get go hence why you see 2.5 lt turbo engines with 400 horse power and 400Nm of torque from low revs... The OEMs crank it for performance...
I've had multiple cars in the past admittedly not a Porsche 911 carrera at this stage I'm afraid. Although I agree that the 370Z is not known for it's sharp cornering abilities ... After all I've had an 86 just recently and now I've got a Nismo 370Z... And I agree that the 86 is about a tier...
not going to happen these days due to the pedestrian safety requirement with the hood/bonnets and engine height. To get the low bonnet profile and wheel arch closer to the top surface of the bonnet, they need a flatter engine aka a Boxer... or move the engine in the rear/mid rear.
Im liking this Z4.... maybe a second hand would be OK as a summer weekend car... when its about 25-30% of its retail value, so about 5 years time as most BMWs :-)
well me too... I've succumbed and actually in the process of getting a Nismo 370Z for the mean time, I have to trade in my STi before it clocks more mileage/kms... going to spend the money saved to hopefully boost the power up a bit.
I had an 86 last year and loved it but needed something more...
The next 86 is due in 2020-2021...
the next MR2 is being penned at the moment as well...
both I expect to sit under this "Zupra" price wise and will most likely have manual options as both will be small "driver focused" cars
I've made a decision last week and went ahead and ordered a Nismo 370Z 2017 model year as I could get a great price for it. (10K down the retail price and they upped my trade in by 3K)
But if Toyota releases an updated lighter, sporty TRD or Gazoo-lite model I would look at it maybe in...
Toyota developing their own engine makes sense...
If you've owned BMWs and Toyota and have serviced the cars all the way upto 40,000 Miles (70,000+ Kms) then you'd know the price difference.
Sorry European fans, but Euro cars have bad resale value due to maintainability... Toyota in the other...
its a BMW Z4 with a hard top and Toyota approved body shell and exterior parts.
but the biggest knock is that its AUTO.... its a European mid tier performance car rather than a JDM muscle car.... thats what we know so far.
will still likely get it, depending on price and waiting time.... I...
I love my Toyota Sports cars.
But I'm actually thinking of getting a used Nismo 370Z instead due to the 6 speed manual.
I just cant imagine enjoying driving an automatic... sure the Supra looks amazing, but I suppose I have to drive it and see if its fun.
well worked in the Automotive Industry as an engineer and specifications, especially engine and chassis are set in stone 3-4 years before the plastic aesthetic parts are developed, as those parts change a lot due to marketing and designer feedback and revision. The mechanical side goes testing...
its a BMW drive train it looks like... adding a manual NOW a year before launch when they planned not to have it 3-4 years ago is not possible.
Maybe generation 2... but sales will determine that. If the auto sells well enough they will not add a manual. Its a HUGE job, new drive train...