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The problem is that car 'enthusiasts' don't but them when they are new. Take the Chevy SS for example

And the only one in that list that is available in America and not American is the 911. Perhaps this shows there isn't a viable market for high HP manual cars with the exception of performance versions of mass produced muscle/pony cars :hmm:

I guess I don't understand this emotional response. Why assign personal value to feel shame when comparing material processions to others, especially one's that you don't own? But why? There are so many cars with 500+ hp now and it is pointless dick measuring competition. Do you have the...

It is still just as fast as the mustang GT (according to Car and Driver's test for both cars) and the mustang will need several suspension packages to make the pony car handle like a sports car thus bringing the total to ~$50k. Also, the Supra appears to have a nicer interior (I have yet to see...

I don't see this car deprecating at the same rate as BMW's mass produced sedans that are fresh off a lease

I do think this is a valid argument but I dont think it would have produced a car this light. Toyota is #1 in production for a reason, they think things out. So I truly believe it would not have been that easy. A good example of this is the Lexus RC. Composed of the GS front, IS C midsection...

First of all, it started in 1996 if you want to argue pointless semantics. You literally missed my entire point. Of course VVTI is better. But wouldnt that make the 0-60 time quicker with earlier spool, more torque through out the powerband, and with revised gear ratios? Why not publish that...

What's even more interesting is what they will put it in

Ah typical a90 hater. Feel free to use any facts or logic to show what I said was bullshit instead of speaking with your feelings. "I hate it, wahh" only gets you so far in life

*puts on tin foil hat* Probably because the 1999-2002 cars aren't faster than their claimed 0-60 time in 1993 of 4.6s. I am not saying the the 4.6s run didn't happen but if the next quickest runs we in the range of 5.1s-5.4s than we can conclude that the 4.6s run was an outlier since it is...

Look at the photo, its a joke.

What? Camaro ZL1, ATS-V, CTS-V, GS-F, RC-F, IS-F, Q60RS are other cars to test drive. As for narrowing it down, what other characteristics do you value in a car? Cars like the M6, R33, and GT350 are so vastly different its hard to help without knowing what you're into.

That's what happens when you let headless people drive sports cars

I wouldn't expect any less toxicity from MKIV owners

Imagine thinking they were going to go for a lap time in the winter :doh:

According to the internet, the MKV is a miata and the MKIV is a challenger so its great to see them side by side like that, it will be interesting to see them together in person.

Whats your problem? Desmo and I were agreeing..

I could go into much more detail on this but the MKIV is one of the few models that hold their value well over the years, more so than 99% of other cars

Keyword is *recently* and not an *overall* appreciation

Imagine buying an NA for less than $10k 10 years ago, and still being able to get parts for them, what a time. On a related unrelated note, my uncle's mk3 just solf for $15k on BaT that he purchased for significantly less during that same era