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I guess you have selective reading... The ones on the doors are the worst offenders. Nothing can help with that tacky add on. When the Z 1st leaked C&D poll has the Z at 84% to the Supra's 16%. But ok, whatever helps you sleep at night. ;)...

Let me turn it around for a moment. To all those calling the front of the Z ugly, have you seen one in person?

Um have you been living under a rock. The nose (& fake vents) is one of the more controversial design elements that people have criticize Toyota on.

A lot of people said the Z Proto looks meh in photo, but in person it makes sense. Also let's not pretend the Supra's front is without controversy. Let's see how they stack up to each when it finally go one sale.

It's been known for awhile that it's using the Z34's chassis.

Just posted on our sister forum. 2022 Nissan Z Details: MSRP pricing, packages, power (hp), weight, transmission + more https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/threads/2022-nissan-z-inside-scoop-details-msrp-pricing-packages-power-hp-weight-transmission-more.147/

Just posted on our sister forum. Z35 "Nissan Z" inside scoop details: MSRP pricing, packages, power (hp), weight + more https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/threads/2022-nissan-z-inside-scoop-details-msrp-pricing-packages-power-hp-weight-transmission-more.147/

Link to the official site. https://www.subaru.jp/together/ If it's the GR86 wouldn't it make more sense to post it on Toyota's site?

That looks real good. I'm glad you didn't have to cut off the 1/4 panel. That would have been major $$$.

Idk, kind of looks a bit odd with that big "Z" on the back. I like the clean look of proto much better. Hopefully it will be easy to debadge.

I think $40k is believable.

But it's suppose to be an affordable car and by that would probably eat into GTR's sales. Wow, I wonder if anyone here will have buyer's remorse.

It's the VR30.

QFT!

Now we know for sure what it's going to look like.

I don't watch that garbage either. May I suggest C-SPAN? Some may find it boring, but it gives you the news without the topical liberal or conservative spin by millionaire talking heads.

Watching CNN lowers your IQ. :p On a serious note, I wonder how much longer until this thread gets locked or deleted. :lol:

Is that really any different than those that chose to live in tiny houses and apartments in CA and NY because they what to live a certain lifestyle? All while you can a decent size house in TX for +/- $150k.

This thing has to be the biggest sales flop in recent history. :lol: