Search results

Lol, you sound like me :love: so far I feel a bit disappointed as the development has been really unexpected..seemingly BMW has completely taken over the entire project. I'm still on the fence about the engine since the heart of any vehicle to me is the powerplant.. Nothing against BMW at all, I...

the similarity is just how the luxury arm trickles down to their economy variants whereas Mercedes/BMW are solely focused on the upper markets which you have to think impacts their engineering decisions for better or worse. Yes C-Class/CLA are blurring the line between economy and luxury but...

Bring up the sales figures..you make it sound as though the 5 series sells a boatload lol, these are still very limited sales compared to most any economy car sales, it is splitting hairs to complain they aren't selling enough as there is only a very limited number of buyers for those luxury...

yes I agree with you, brand affinity is quite important but I think that is more so for the 6 figure class and to be fair much of that is heavily due to exclusivity..the rich sure do like their bespoke purchases...remember, Lexus was able to sell all 500 LFA copies which should be indicative...

well the conflict between the MK5 Supra and Z5 is one aspect, though it isn't the bigger issue, I see the M2/M4 as the possible hurdles..bimmer fans are quite knowledgeable about their performance stats so it is tough for me to see the Supra being faster than either of them without charging with...

well to be fair the relationships are quite different...lambo is owned entirely by audi so i don't think there are conflict of interests or that they even care about any self-canibalization whereas bmw has almost entirely nothing to do with toyota's supply chain aside from giving them a few...

well there have been some indirect cases like how the charger/challenger use the old shared mercedes platform and they have had adequate success..the 86 twins, which in recent memory is the closest type of relationship to the toyota/bmw, are a big time success in my book so that gives me some...

it is conflicting because economy minded toyota is working with a luxury company to bring this out...bmw's interests will be a limiting factor here. still not sure if bmw will be cool with releasing a car better than their own performance models (or undercutting them) does toyota/bmw come out...

I totally get their decision to work with BMW, it still doesn't mean it has to sit well with us. Obviously working with BMW or using their new Lexus architecture would save costs either way so from our point of view of course we have to trust that they made the business analysis to believe...

how the two cars were birthed and their meaning to toyota is the comparison...obviously the 86 wouldn't be in the same league as the Supra but toyota is taking a similar path to get there once again..

im with you man, ive always loved the individual quirks from each car brand so i hate how these joint projects muddle the picture a bit

we are debating the acceptance by potential MK5 supra buyers.. and please, what do you mean "only share chassis and possibly engines", they are sharing virtually the only major aspects that determine performance and handling lol...are you insinuating you're happy that BMW is just slapping on a...

growing up in az honda guys were usually the biggest car enthusiasts in general so that isn't a surprise :p lol but how is it not niche when toyota moves 300,000+ rav4s to the us alone..this is chump change for them even if that half of 60,000 figure turns out true not to mention I assume that...

..well if you follow ft86club.com and read all the threads started by potential 86 buyers they are all versed in the car's development..obviously that isn't a statistic but I doubt any non-enthusiast would walk into a Subaru or Toyota dealer and get talked into buying their least practical and...

..would a potential MK5 Supra buyer be considered an average buyer though? I agree most general economy car consumers don't care or can't be bothered to know that sort of info like how most buyers of the Toyota iA don't know that it is a Mazda2. But take a look at the 86 twins..you would be...

we gotta hope that the execs think having a jdm halo car being made by bmw is beneficial for the consumer

i love all cars & brands, and i always say if i had unlimited money i would buy one of every car out there...my pop was into cars especially from the jdms so naturally i followed that route..ive always loved japanese styling and all their quirks, and ive always appreciated their approach to...

it was expected otherwise Toyota wouldn't be sharing costs :coffee:

at least the cool thing is there seems to be 3 (possibly 4) separate mules running around at the same time

lol wut because they are both round? the mule has plain tailpipes with no restriction inside how many people from japan have sat in the mule? not sure how they are making any recommendations or adding input