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What 3.0 owners are hoping and praying for. :rofl: Don't forget about the fake vents. :p

So the G29 does better in Europe and the J29 does better in the U.S. What does this have to do with a possible GRMN model? I really don't know, I'm not in marketing or production development.

I'm not claiming to know anything regarding what goes on behind the doors with Toyota and BMW. All I'm saying is a Japanese publication with a good track record says it happening. Ok, so the bigger picture is world wide sales, which is probably closer to 50/50.

Oh man, I thought there was actually some news of a targa. :lol:

Idk where you heard that from but if it's true the GRMN won't happen until the very end according to Bestcarweb which has a really good track record when it comes to the J29. Maybe it has poor sales in the U.S., but the Z4 does very well in Europe. Z4 2021 7.571 2020 8.314 2019 9.681...

Right, rumor being keyword lol.

Yup, that's the rumor for the GRMN model.

Maybe all the naysayers should apologize to all of our inside people. :p

Is this for 2023 models?

I didn't know you could get red leather outside of those special limited editions.

Maybe everyone would like the Z better if it looked like this. :p

Oh man why didn't I think of that when I made my original post. 1993 MSRP Supra turbo: $39,900 300ZX turbo: $37,655 Differences: $2,245 Inflation: $4,466.64 2023 Z Performance auto: 47,000 (est.) 2022 Supra 3.0 base: $51,640 Differences: $4,640 Anyways, let's stop splitting hair for a...

Most of guys on the MK5 owner facebook group look like they're in the 30s-40s. :dunno:

Yeah like what? $5k-$6k differences depending on trim level. 2023 Z: $40k-$49k (est.) 2022 Supra: $43k-$55k Not sure what your point is.

History says otherwise, but ok. Z31: 258,857 A70: 78,658 Z32: 82,760 A80: 11,446 Idk if I would phase it like that. That's like saying the ES is a better bargain than a Camry/Avalon because it has a nicer interior. Some people just don't need all the extra goodies. In closing, you get what...

Right, and I don't think anyone here is saying that you're going to see top notch leather on a $40k car. I'm actually glad you brought up the 86. Quality should improve over time. The 370 was an improvement over the 350 imo. We'll find out how this new Z stacks up. How so? A performance...

Yeah and I said it looks tacky and ricey. I then moved onto the best option for a cleaner OEM look which would be for the door to be one piece. You know the conversation kind of evolves..

Some minor differences but yeah. https://www.supramkv.com/threads/wasabi-edition-supra-sema-2019.2776/ https://www.supramkv.com/threads/toyota-launches-exclusive-gr-supra-a91-cf-edition-for-2022.9311/

It feels like we keep going down the same rabbit hole lol. The people that have sat in the preproduction cars haven't complained about the interior. Granted, those are the more costly performance trim, but I'll form my own opinion when these things ever hit the showroom floor. :yes:

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