Formula 1 Talk

[johnnyskids]

And yes, wasn't trying to hide what I said, just realized it was unconstructive and tried to be less petty You're acting like the only time Max would have given the place back is when he served the penalty. That's not the case. He should have given it back much earlier, meaning he would have suffered being the follow car. I understand your point, but it's only applicable if Max had been made to give the place back in the 30 seconds after Charles passed him and before he pitted.

Not sure if you are directing this to me or someone I have blocked.

Here's what should have happened, Max made that illegal pass, his team tells him to give it back ASAP. They didn't do that and instead waited for the stewards to review it and see if they would even penalize Max. Then when there was a safety car, that should have given the stewards or race director long enough to review the incident and told Max to give the place back before the restart. But again they were not timely enough and because Max was a bit further down the road from Charles, they just gave him the 5 second penalty. Which is standard practice.

So to me, the issue is two fold. Firstly, the review should have been a lot quicker for something so obvious. Secondly, when it takes too long and giving back the spot isn't possible (typically this is due to the driver being too far ahead or having another car between them), a review should be made on how big of a penalty it should be.

I don't blame RB for waiting for a decision, and I don't blame the race director on the decision, just in the timing of said decision.

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[Zoomie]

Yes it was my reply to you. You quoted my post before I edited it. I realized it was a shit reply and hoped to sneak in a less snarky reply before you had to read it.

I agree with nearly all your points. Like I said, it FELT inadequate because it didn't end up punishing Max. No debate from me that the late yellow was WHY Max made the comeback.

Years ago when Lewis and Max tangled in Silverstone, Max went off in a high speed crash while Lewis got a (10 sec?) penalty that didn't stop him from winning the race and taking 26 points. It felt like Max hit the wall at 53G while Lewis got off with no repercussions. The Mercedes was so dominant that even a major penalty didn't affect them. The same is true with Max now.

A $400 speeding ticket doesn't affect a Honda Civic driver the same as it does a Ferrari owner. That's sort how penalties feel in F1 right now. The fact Max said "Send them my regards" shows he isn't deterred by the threat of a 5 sec penalty.

 

[johnnyskids]

Yes it was my reply to you. You quoted my post before I edited it. I realized it was a shit reply and hoped to sneak in a less snarky reply before you had to read it.

I agree with nearly all your points. Like I said, it FELT inadequate because it didn't end up punishing Max. No debate from me that the late yellow was WHY Max made the comeback.

Years ago when Lewis and Max tangled in Silverstone, Max went off in a high speed crash while Lewis got a (10 sec?) penalty that didn't stop him from winning the race and taking 26 points. It felt like Max hit the wall at 53G while Lewis got off with no repercussions. The Mercedes was so dominant that even a major penalty didn't affect them. The same is true with Max now.

A $400 speeding ticket doesn't affect a Honda Civic driver the same as it does a Ferrari owner. That's sort how penalties feel in F1 right now. The fact Max said "Send them my regards" shows he isn't deterred by the threat of a 5 sec penalty.

I get what you are saying, but it's hard to hand out a 5 second penalty for one driver which drops them down spots (Russell), and had a guy like Lewis or Max a much harsher penalty for a similar incident. Every year we ask for consistency from the FIA/race director, this was consistent with what has happened all season. It needs to be the same for all drivers regardless of who they are and what the final impact is at the end of the race.

When you talk about what happened to Max at Silverstone, there was no way for Lewis to give the spot back, and it was at the beginning of the race, so 10 seconds at that point is easier to recoup than if that happened towards the end of the race. Each race is different, each situation is different, but the rules should be consistent and followed. That doesn't mean improvements can't be made, possibly looking at adjusting the penalties for this kind of incident, how quickly reviews happen, etc. But I think that's something that should be discussed and reviewed in the offseason and implemented in the new year with all teams on board.

 

[FLtrackdays]

Not sure if you are directing this to me or someone I have blocked.

Did you block me? ?

Everyone knows this year Max has reserve left in himself and the car right? Sure he’d rather keep the rpms lower, so to speak, but I love seeing him having to push for it, do even more. I’m probably in the minority to believe either way the penalty was sliced, Max would have squeezed a bit more out of himself, that car and still won it. They really are something that special this year indeed. Fantastic team effort indeed ?

Watching DTS 2021 again (yes my wife is that into it), the team after a Max win, you’d think they all won the biggest lottery in world. I have no clue how Christian has gotten these guys that fired up about their jobs. Max repeatedly tells the team thanks (I hear it more now that it was mentioned on here that he doesn’t do that). These guys love Max, Max love them, Christian has them all on some RB sauce that they can’t get off. I like all the principals. It’s amazing how any of them keep their cool and manage so much $$$ and pressure. I don’t know why/how Christian can or is doing what he is doing. I’d love to see that formula/recipe in more detail (maybe a book someday?).

Charles being your favorite personality? That's a new take, not that he isn't likely, just that most would put someone like Danny Ric, Yuki, or Lando ahead in the personality department.

As far as liking Charles the most, absolutely! He was recently visiting a NBA team, Ocon was gushing, giving gifts/helmets and talking about how he’s the tallest driver in F1. Charles, no gift for the NBA player. Complete opposite of Ocon gushing like a little schoolgirl. Yup, love him. I’m more of an overspoken guy like Danny Ric, Yuki or whoever was mentioned myself. So I tend to like more chillax peeps. Like Charles, my wife, the likes. That’s just me. And I’m so impressed with his outrageous driving in that Ferrari. Late braking like crazy, aggressive moves, constantly on the edge… how he didn’t crash that thing is mind boggling. Like Max imo. At least in that Vegas race. Two hours of adrenaline release then back to chill Charles after the race. Yup, cool & most sincere of the bunch indeed.

So if I could shadow a F1 driver all day, Charles would be my choice. I think I’d get the best perspective of F1 without the driver trying to impress me or anyone else. Max would be cool ofc. But I’d have to break him down a bit to gimme more. So yup, sticking to Charles as that guy, my fav in a personality contest, lol. Max as my fav talent to watch.

 

[FLtrackdays]

I wonder which race had the most changes of position this year?

Im thinking Vegas only because it’s the most recent & going by my limited memory only. I loved how all the drivers were forced to drive as if in the wet but unable to tell where those spots were (harder to see on track). Add unknown real time track driving/experience, cold & freaky conditions = more driver focused & forced improvisation ?

 

[johnnyskids]

Did you block me? ?

Everyone knows this year Max has reserve left in himself and the car right? Sure he’d rather keep the rpms lower, so to speak, but I love seeing him having to push for it, do even more. I’m probably in the minority to believe either way the penalty was sliced, Max would have squeezed a bit more out of himself, that car and still won it. They really are something that special this year indeed. Fantastic team effort indeed ?

Watching DTS 2021 again (yes my wife is that into it), the team after a Max win, you’d think they all won the biggest lottery in world. I have no clue how Christian has gotten these guys that fired up about their jobs. Max repeatedly tells the team thanks (I hear it more now that it was mentioned on here that he doesn’t do that). These guys love Max, Max love them, Christian has them all on some RB sauce that they can’t get off. I like all the principals. It’s amazing how any of them keep their cool and manage so much $$$ and pressure. I don’t know why/how Christian can or is doing what he is doing. I’d love to see that formula/recipe in more detail (maybe a book someday?).



As far as liking Charles the most, absolutely! He was recently visiting a NBA team, Ocon was gushing, giving gifts/helmets and talking about how he’s the tallest driver in F1. Charles, no gift for the NBA player. Complete opposite of Ocon gushing like a little schoolgirl. Yup, love him. I’m more of an overspoken guy like Danny Ric, Yuki or whoever was mentioned myself. So I tend to like more chillax peeps. Like Charles, my wife, the likes. That’s just me. And I’m so impressed with his outrageous driving in that Ferrari. Late braking like crazy, aggressive moves, constantly on the edge… how he didn’t crash that thing is mind boggling. Like Max imo. At least in that Vegas race. Two hours of adrenaline release then back to chill Charles after the race. Yup, cool & most sincere of the bunch indeed.

So if I could shadow a F1 driver all day, Charles would be my choice. I think I’d get the best perspective of F1 without the driver trying to impress me or anyone else. Max would be cool ofc. But I’d have to break him down a bit to gimme more. So yup, sticking to Charles as that guy, my fav in a personality contest, lol. Max as my fav talent to watch.

Nope, didn’t block you, you aren’t too far gone on the RB Max juice yet (meaning you are still able to see and admit flaws but n both from time to time).

Obviously it is hard to say if Max would have won or not had that last safety car not happened. But if you remember he was about 9 seconds behind, on older tires, with a high likelihood of having to pit one more time to make it to the end of the race. So if I was putting money on it, my money would have been on Charles.

I wasn’t saying criticizing your taste in favourite drivers personality, just saying that it was an uncommon thing people say.

Most passes in a race, I’m thinking Vegas likely wasn’t in the top in that category, but I could be wrong. You enjoyed the cold weather, I disliked it only because it’s a condition that the cars, drivers, and tires are not really built for and thusly compromising some of the racing. Unlike wet weather or extreme heat, those are common and somewhat easily planned for.

edit: the Dutch GP had 188 overtakes, Vegas has 82, so not even close to the most overtakes in one race, but certainly not the least amount.

 

[Dannyvandelft]

you aren’t too far gone on the RB Max juice yet

You can be a fan @FLtrackdays, but not too much! Or else! ?

What a joke.

 

[kaj]

. He should have given it back much earlier, meaning he would have suffered being the follow car.

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, a review should be made on how big of a penalty it should be.

That's sort how penalties feel in F1 right now. The fact Max said "Send them my regards" shows he isn't deterred by the threat of a 5 sec penalty.

No.

And penalties don't effect Max the same as other drivers because he's so far ahead. Not his fault. To say the penalties should be on a sliding scale is like some "tax the rich more" kinda BS ?
Everyone should get the same penalties.

 

[Zoomie]

I'm not suggesting 20 seconds for Max and 5 for everyone else. I was suggesting that letting them choose a penalty that doesn't affect them feels like they can avoid punishment. Forcing them to give the place back would feel more fair to me.

" If the penalty for a crime is a fine, then that law only exists for the lower class. "
This very much applies here. I don't have a perfect solution, but the current one feels insufficient.

 

[johnnyskids]

I'm not suggesting 20 seconds for Max and 5 for everyone else. I was suggesting that letting them choose a penalty that doesn't affect them feels like they can avoid punishment. Forcing them to give the place back would feel more fair to me.

It was really just a timing thing in this case, the race director should have made a decision a lot quicker and then these discussions wouldn't take so long. Easier said than done though, as these situations can be somewhat subjective, they have to review a lot of footage, not to mention it's not like the race director is just sitting on his hands the whole race waiting to review incidents. It's an imperfect system and I struggle to find a real solution that can take into account all situations, so all they can do is try to improve on things going forward.

 

[Zoomie]

Putting that to bed, who will come out on top this weekend: Aston Martin or McLaren?

 

[Dannyvandelft]

Putting that to bed, who will come out on top this weekend: Aston Martin or McLaren?

With AM's decline, and McLaren's rise, I'd say McLaren.

More importantly, Ferrari or Mercedes?

And will AT get to 7th?

 

[johnnyskids]

Putting that to bed, who will come out on top this weekend: Aston Martin or McLaren?

McLaren…and I will say Ferrari does something stupid in race and misses out on P2.

 

[Shelby Miles]

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[FLtrackdays]

Charles, Oscar and ofc Max. Wow!!! Kudos to Oscar for making it up there with the best of the best! I hope Charles can continue to keep up with Max & give him that extra push. I still want Max to bring in one more win and one more exclamation point to his most incredible season.

Poor Hamilton. Does Lewis deserve better? Is he questioning what it’d be like to drive a Red Bull?

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/...us-discussion-over.unpKuGS5F9rVdRvM30bja.html

There is no doubt! Who wouldn’t want to drive that car. Especially with his skillset. Would he give Max a fight in the same car? Would it be fantastic to watch? Oh hell yeah! But…. (Big Butt) how stupid would that be from a team standpoint? As much as I’d love to see it, I don’t think either driver would back down and that could be more costly to the team in the long run ?️ ? ?

Imagine how flattering it would be to have a champion like Lewis (or his dad) even considering the likes with RB. When Christian was asked if he thought Mercedes was surprised to hear that news, his response: “He’s the most successful driver of all time and hasn’t won a Grand Prix since 2021. You haven’t got to be a rocket scientist to work that out.”

I would have never thought it. But I totally get it. Lewis isn’t getting any younger. That would be such an incredible pair, dream team ? It just seems too greedy and not feasible unless Max is talking about retiring early or there’s something else I‘m missing.

Hope they can get the car better suited for Lewis today. Any race is always better with him showing off his skills. Max, Charles, Lewis, and Lando. Any of those guys, with their cars dialed in, should be have a podium showing. First time I’m not so sure about Lewis. Fingers crossed for him ? they get it sorted out. It should be a fantastic finish to a fantastic season!

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