Formula 1 Talk

[Dannyvandelft]

(It wasn't that long ago he refused to help Perez after direct team orders)

There's reasons for that, if you recall earlier that year in Monaco Perez crashed intentionally during qualifying to deny Max pole position.
Thats what that was about.

I honestly don't think the team wants a driver that takes any focus away from Max, and they certainly don't want a driver that can challenge him on a regular basis.

that driver doesn't exist, so nothing to worry about there. A Leclerc might beat Max here and there, but over a season? Not a chance. Norris was offered the chance, and he declined.

This gives you a team with a driver that is essentially the prima dona, everything is directed at him - with little apparent desire to nuture and mentor the 2nd driver.

Which is how it went with Schumacher at Ferrari, Hamilton at Mercedes (with Bottas, because Rosberg wouldn't play #2 willingly ), Alonso at Renault, Vettel at RedBull, Hakkinen at McLaren, and on and on. When you have a star driver, they get all the goodies first.

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[FLtrackdays]

I’m sure this was already mentioned. Max doing 3 laps on the Ring, break some records and hop off before the hype got too out of hand.



That guy on YouTube who drives the Ring on a regular basis, makes a living at it, changed his opinions of Max over the years. It is a good little video. And a solid argument by Danny as well. I do think RB should do more to make the other top bull drivable. But… I heard even Zack Brown mention how it’s a good problem to have to try and listen to both drivers about car setup. I took it as if there was a top driver at McLaren, the car would be setup that way.

Regardless, I‘d rather watch racing and not a pomp and circumstance qualifying session on Sunday called a race. I think it’d be okay to drop it and give the fans something else. But that’s just me. Looking forward to the next “race” where they can actually fit two cars side by side ?

 

[Ron L]

That always makes me laugh. This isnt aimed at you, but what I'm reading everywhere on social media by anti-Max people.

Why is it always that the 2nd driver isn't good enough? Maybe the car is just terrible and Max is over driving the crap out of it every weekend.

When the car was good, Sergio was able to win with it, so we know he can drive. Gasly is a race winner, so we know he can drive. Albon is handily beating Sainz, who is a race winner, so we know he can drive. Liam is a rookie, so he's got an excuse. Yuki has beaten all his teammates, including Ricciardo who is a race winner, so we know he can drive.

So the easiest and logical conclusion is just that Max is SO good, that he can compete at the top with a midfield car, which he's proven multiple times, and is backed up by racers from around the world saying he is one of, if not the greatest in F1 history.

But no, let's go with rhetoric (from the Max haters) that it's anything but Max's skill.

These guys are the best in the world at what they do, they should be able to adapt to a different car in a relatively short period. Max jumped from a Torro Rosso into a RedBull, and qualified in the front, and won. With a little help from Hamilton and Rosberg torpedoing each other, but still, he had Kimi Raikkonen up his ass for 20 laps, and won. At 18 years old. He's 27 or something now and gotten better every year. No teammate can compete with that. I think of the 19 on the grid, Leclerc would be closest to him, Piastri maybe too, but other than that? Nobody.

I don't take anything away from Max. He's a great driver. But he's not THAT good. IMHO, any of the 6 to 8 top drivers in F1 (given a handful of races, could drive the RB just as well as Max does. And BTW, Albon is rapidly losing ground to Sainz as he gets settled in with the new team and new car. Just like Lewis is getting closer to Charles. I take nothing away from Max... I don't hate him. I just get sick and tired of watching one team... and one driver, win everything.

 

[Dannyvandelft]

I don't take anything away from Max. He's a great driver. But he's not THAT good. IMHO, any of the 6 to 8 top drivers in F1 (given a handful of races, could drive the RB just as well as Max does. And BTW, Albon is rapidly losing ground to Sainz as he gets settled in with the new team and new car. Just like Lewis is getting closer to Charles. I take nothing away from Max... I don't hate him. I just get sick and tired of watching one team... and one driver, win everything.

Well you're wrong about that. Imagine Max in a McLaren. He'd have won most if not every race this season. Any other driver in the Redbull would've won nothing. And that's the difference.

 

[BrettMRC]

Well you're wrong about that. Imagine Max in a McLaren. He'd have won most if not every race this season. Any other driver in the Redbull would've won nothing. And that's the difference.

That's impossible to know really.

What's been the big eye opener this year is the apparent difficulty in switching between PUs - you'd think after this long all the manufacturers designs, power delivery etc would have converged more or less at the same point and methodology...but clearly not!

 

[Dannyvandelft]

That's impossible to know really.

What's been the big eye opener this year is the apparent difficulty in switching between PUs - you'd think after this long all the manufacturers designs, power delivery etc would have converged more or less at the same point and methodology...but clearly not!

Yeah they're all different, and next year's will be a shit show of epic proportions. I hope that will be short lived and we'll see NA engines with synthetic fuels quickly. I have no faith in that Ford POS and for that reason alone I hope Max goes to Mercedes or Aston Martin.

 

[BrettMRC]

They should all be forced to develop rotaries

 

[Dannyvandelft]

They should all be forced to develop rotaries

F1 cars that sound like a Mazda 787B??

Porn would be obsolete

 

[Ron L]

Well you're wrong about that. Imagine Max in a McLaren. He'd have won most if not every race this season. Any other driver in the Redbull would've won nothing. And that's the difference.

That's a difference that you have in your head and have yet to see REAL proof of on the track. So you and I won't discuss Max anymore.

 

[Dannyvandelft]

That's a difference that you have in your head and have yet to see REAL proof of on the track. So you and I won't discuss Max anymore.

Real proof? Have you been sleeping the last 2 seasons? Look what Max did with a good car in 2023, and with a bad car in 2024, and this season. All the proof you'll need. But don't let your bias get in the way or anything ?

 

[Denton]

That's a difference that you have in your head and have yet to see REAL proof of on the track. So you and I won't discuss Max anymore.

Please don't. I wish you had read the other 135 pages of this thread so that you could understand that you just don't poke that particular bear .

 

[Dannyvandelft]

Please don't. I wish you had read the other 135 pages of this thread so that you could understand that you just don't poke that particular bear .

Yeah, facts are annoying that way huh ?
When guys like Gerhard Berger, who was Senna's teammate says Max is the best, or Jenson Button, a WDC who's been teammates with Alonso AND Hamilton, that Max has the most talent on the grid.

Don't take my word for it, take theirs. Or stay biased lol.

 

[Denton]

All I said was don't poke the bear - damn it.

Bear status: Poked

 

[Dannyvandelft]

All I said was don't poke the bear - damn it.

Bear status: Poked

I don't mind educating the ill informed. No need to poke, just ask.

Just waiting on Johnny Skidmark to add his 2 useless cents, and the party is complete ?

 

[BrettMRC]

What's that "most curses broken" bollocks on that pic you posted? ? ? ?

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