Looking for swan neck

[ZokiSpeed]

I'm curious: How wide should a swan neck wing be in your opinion? I mean, 68 inch is massive and produces a lot of downforce. Definetly too much for a normal road car and a modified track car. It's more a gadget for a full built track car. So, what's a great size for all in your opinion?

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[FLtrackdays]

https://phdracing.store/collections...-racing-x-spage-sport-ta90-2-rear-spoiler-kit

I'm very interested in the "tuner version"

Holy wing Batman. Even for the track that just looks excessive! I’d be so hard pressed to drive with something like that in town. But that’s my style and to each their own. My 18 yo son would love it! And glowing LEDs underneath

But in all seriousness, I like what @razorlab did with his and the downforce data to back it up. Assuming that one above is adjustable at that price. Without a race team, it’s hard. I highly recommend using your (not you Wes but peeps in general) local race team at your home track. They can crunch the numbers on them and make adjustments.

I‘ve still got plenty of speed to make up on my Catalyst w/out a wang. Thanks goodness lol

 

[decodeddiesel]

I'm curious: How wide should a swan neck wing be in your opinion? I mean, 68 inch is massive and produces a lot of downforce. Definetly too much for a normal road car and a modified track car. It's more a gadget for a full built track car. So, what's a great size for all in your opinion?

The length of the wing will be directly proportional to the downforce and more importantly drag. A wide wing even at 0 angle of attack (AOA) will likely have very noticable negative effect on fuel mileage. This could be a real consideration in a daily driver (it is for me). Just adding a wing will lower the fuel efficiency quite a bit. Whether or not it would be noticable between a 64" or 68", I don't know. I kinda doubt it, but maybe I'm wrong.

The good thing about a wider well designed wing is that it's going to be more efficient at lower AOA. On track this means it's going to have less of an effect on top speed. Drag is proportional to the square of the airspeed. At speeds over 100-120 the effect of the lowered drag will become a lot more noticeable.

For a track toy that can be driven on the street overhang is a consideration as it will keep the footprint of the car smaller. I worry about some kid braining themselves on an endplate because they want to get close to check out the car (ask me how I know).

 

[decodeddiesel]

Holy wing Batman. Even for the track that just looks excessive! I’d be so hard pressed to drive with something like that in town. But that’s my style and to each their own. My 18 yo son would love it! And glowing LEDs underneath

But in all seriousness, I like what @razorlab did with his and the downforce data to back it up. Assuming that one above is adjustable at that price. Without a race team, it’s hard. I highly recommend using your (not you Wes but peeps in general) local race team at your home track. They can crunch the numbers on them and make adjustments.

I‘ve still got plenty of speed to make up on my Catalyst w/out a wang. Thanks goodness lol

That's the toned down version!

Jackie Ding and a few others with 600hp+ have the full blown Spage wing, which is gigantic.

The truth is the Verus wing looks great and obviously generates useable downforce. I just wish it was a swan neck ala Supra GT4 lol.

 

[kaj]

Spending nearly $4000 on an engineered wing with an extremely high downforce to drag ratio to add effective downforce is hardly "turning the car into a civic".

If only that was the reason most people put wings on cars.

 

[decodeddiesel]

If only that was the reason most people put wings on cars.

You're right. I remember having a conversation with a fellow soldier back in the day about how his wing added at least 50 HP to his 3rd gen Eclipse. He thought my Stage 2 WRX was a joke .

After seeing @razorlab and his Verus aero I can tell you I'm pretty much sold. Maybe when I'm ready to buy in the future they'll have further developments to their wing, splitter, and diffuser. The fact that it was developed with Ansys CFD (what I have used most during my career) and tested as a complete system on the Supra makes my engineer OCD go off the charts.

 

[kaj]

You're right. I remember having a conversation with a fellow soldier back in the day about how his wing added at least 50 HP to his 3rd gen Eclipse. He thought my Stage 2 WRX was a joke .

After seeing @razorlab and his Verus aero I can tell you I'm pretty much sold. Maybe when I'm ready to buy in the future they'll have further developments to their wing, splitter, and diffuser. The fact that it was developed with Ansys CFD (what I have used most during my career) and tested as a complete system on the Supra makes my engineer OCD go off the charts.

I definitely appreciate when the work is done and I can take advantage. With my mustang, it was AJ Hartman. Supra = Versus. We're lucky.

 

[kyle9]

@decodeddiesel you’re not wrong, when building a race car it’s all about being as fast as possible no matter what it looks like, however; the vast majority of people buying these wings just want the look. There’s a Supra locally I see, bone stock except, yep, you guessed it, a HUGE wing on it, lol…looks like a matchbox car

I literally don’t know of anyone who bought that Spage wing that doesn’t use the car primarily as a track car.

This is the 68” low version in case anyone is wondering.

 

[GoldenEye]

@kyle9 your car looks awesome! What suspension and wheel/tire setup are you running?

 

[kyle9]

@kyle9 your car looks awesome! What suspension and wheel/tire setup are you running?

JRZ RS Pro coilovers + SPL parts + aFe sway bars

Most of the photos I think I have 18x11 Apex wheels with 295/35 a052s installed. Also run Titan 7 wheels and TE37 SLs

 

[FLtrackdays]

JRZ RS Pro coilovers + SPL parts + aFe sway bars

Most of the photos I think I have 18x11 Apex wheels with 295/35 a052s installed. Also run Titan 7 wheels and TE37 SLs

I‘m on 275/35 and thought that was big for the front Nice!!!!

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