Matte Paint Detailing and New Car Prep

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  1. scoates

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    Just thought I'd make a thread for discussing detailing and preparing the matte paint. I've got the matte grey A90 Edition on order and I'm sure there will be others on here as well with the matte paint coming.

    I've done some research on the best ways to take care of and protect the paint, but since it is much more rare than the gloss paint information is harder to come-by, and lots of it is directed at matte vinyl wraps.

    What I'm planning is basically a new car prep with as little contact to the paint as possible to prevent any marks or scuffs as with the matte paint you cannot polish out any imperfections or use clay bar to remove bonded contaminants.

    The products I'm using are as follows:

    Bilt Hamber Surfex HD degreaser
    Dragon's Blood Iron and Fallout Remover
    Snow Foam (no specific one just whichever one I have in the garage!)
    Chemical Guys Meticulous Matte Shampoo
    Gyeon Q2 Matte Ceramic Coating
    Bilt Hamber Atom-Mac (rust prevention)
    Gyeon Q2 Rim coating

    I'm going to start by jacking the car up and placing on jack stands and removing the wheels to get complete access all around the car, then spraying the degreaser over the dry car to allow it to soak into as many of the dirt and grease particles as possible, followed by a rinse off using the snow foam. Once the foam is all dripped off I'll pressure wash it off before using the fallout remover. After that does its job it should have removed as much as possible with regards to the dirt and bonded contaminants and should be safe for the contact wash. Then 2 bucket method with the Matte Shampoo as a lot of car shampoos contain waxes so may need to be careful with these. Once this is done it will be a case of drying, prepping and applying the ceramic coating.

    I've chosen the Gyeon Matte coating as it is one of the only ones I've seen specifically formulated for matte paint, so it should preserve the factory finish. Coatings not formulated for matte paint will often fill in the valleys in the paint that leave the matte finish, adding gloss and removing the matte effect. The Gyeon Matte Ceramic is meant to be very thin and follow the mountains and valleys in the paint, protecting but not changing the finish. Matte paint is known as being a nightmare to keep in good condition with things like tree sap, bird droppings etc falling on it, and I feel a ceramic coating will really help with this protection.

    In addition to this as the car is up I'll get right underneath and spray the Atom-Mac throughout the underside and suspension components as well. It is a rust preventer that is meant to be drawn into the ferrous components to physically protect them from within, and living in Scotland where they often salt the road at ridiculous times of the year, even though I'm not planning on using the Supra in winter, I think it will definitely help reduce the risk of rust.

    If there's anything anyone thinks I've missed out, or any other suggestions of things which may help improve let me know!

    I'll be taking photos and documenting my detail/new car prep once I get hold of the car at the beginning of September.

    Anyone had any other experience of matte paint before?
     
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    Are you going to do a Paint Protection Film?
     
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    I know that wrapping is a realy bad idea for the matt grey. (Information from Toyota)

    I‘m not sure if that's count for the coating too.
     
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    what do you mean?

    Good thread btw - subscribed
     
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    I'm not doing any protection film. I've thought about it and if I was I'd want to do full car and I'm not sure if it is worth the cost when ceramic coatings will do most of the job of protecting from contaminants, the only thing is stone chips to keep an eye out for. Plus there is a chance the adhesives etc could mess with the paint, if Toyota isn't putting the classic protective wrapping on from factory there must be a reason.
     
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    Exactly they told me on the Nürburgring event it can destroy the paint if you remove the wrapping.
     
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    I picked up my car last Saturday. I removed the factory protective wrapping from the exterior except for the hood and the roof. I did a basic wash of the exterior so I could drive a somewhat clean car to Cars and Coffee.

    I will be doing a full new car prep hopefully this weekend. I have not been able to since i work everyday. I will be doing a full wash, get all the exterior protective wrapping off. I have noticed that it left some glue residue on the paint. I will then follow up with Iron X to remove any embedded iron particles. (I noticed that paint is clean after the initial first wash). I will clay the whole car if necessary, but I don't think it would need it. I plan on removing the wheels off the car to clean thoroughly and coat them.

    I will do a light polish on the paint. I thought about doing a coating on the paint, but I will be sticking to the paint sealant and topped off by Beadmaker. I will treat all the trims and plastics with Gyeon Trim and dress the tires with Carpro Pear.

    Hopefully I will have the time to knock it out this weekend.
     
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    #8 Aug 22, 2019 at 1:50 AM
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    @scoates hey, I had to create an account just because there is so much misinformation.

    I am a PPF installer. Wrapping a new supra as we speak in matte ppf of a member on here.

    Here is some information for you,

    Get it wrapped in XPEL Stealth asap.

    Do not go Suntek. Their films I found to be too strong on adhesive and backing paper too much static (which grabs all the hairs in the air) also if you spray too much alcohol (I use a 10% mixture where most people use 70%) you will have burn marks. Alot of misinformation spread here. No film is created by these companies, there are 5 (I believe) commercial companies which make film that these companies buy from. (They create the adhesive) XPEL / 3M / Suntek / Llumar / Hexis / SolarGuard / PremiumShield / Stek I have tried it all.

    Matte paint is very fragile. Matte paint cannot be color matched. Any damage to a panel, entire car will have to be repainted. You can repaint a panel but it will be visible.

    Your best option is get full vehicle ppf ASAP before you even drive it.

    Ceramic coating DOES NOT PROTECT from stone chips or scratches. Any company that promotes this is lying (cough Ceramic Pro) 9h coating which doesnt compare to IGL 10h thickness.

    Yet no ceramic coating will stop scratches or stone chips.

    To find a good PPF shop, look to see if they have wrapped full G wagons. Those are the hardest cars to wrap with Supra on par.


    Anyone who tells you that you cant remove ppf from matte paint has no clue. I have removed from 2019 Gwagon that wasnt done properly by someone.

    The reason people dont is because majority of people do not know what to do with glue residue. They scrub it and scratch the paint and since they cant polish matte paint, they damage it.

    I use 3M Adhesive remover and you go in small sections with 2 cloths (1 soaked and other not) its EXTREMELY time consuming and I charge for removal.
     
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    Thanks for all the info! I'm still considering PPF but from what I've heard with difficulty of application for the Supra with pieces not being large enough etc I'm going to wait a bit and see how it goes with ceramic. Will just drive very carefully to try and avoid chips as much as possible
     
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    I would personally hate to see a client in pain seeing stone chips and matte paint (very painful) you literally either have to live with stone chips or go all out to protect.

    To find a shop who can do it, you have to see if they can do Gwagons. It's an indication they can do hard cars. Its THE hardest in ppf world. Also, a shop which does by hand installs and doesnt do precuts.

    The hood cannot be 1pc, they only make 60"

    You have 2 options. Either do horizontal with a stripe to cover it.

    Or do it like the Ferrari California / Ferrari GTC4 Lusso / BMW M5 / Lexus LC500 (seam 2 pieces 4" (on each tip at the top of hood) it doesnt look bad, on a gunmetal/black car practically invisible.

    On white / blue / red its visible
     
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    When I spoke to the Xact Window Tinting who wrapped my car, they said the SunTek 72 inch film is the only one that will even get close to fitting the Supra's full hood. We measured and it seems that there will still need to be smaller filler pieces near the doors on the back of the hood.
     
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    #12 Aug 22, 2019 at 6:26 AM
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    64" x 80" (and 5" added to that) sheet I needed.

    So with Suntek you roll out 80" and you have 72" x 80". (Always cut extra 5" each side for roll over and just in case) I can more then guarantee it will cover entire hood and have alot still hanging over.

    The bigger the roll size the more issues the film can have in it. It's pretty much perfected at 60"

    Mind you, when I started installing. XPEL was too expensive and everyone was on the 3M train. So 3M Venture shield was the go to. 3M only increased pricing and their film+ adhesive got worse. If I am not mistaken they are on 9th iteration of their ProSeries line to compete with Suntek Ultra and XPEL Ultimate Plus
     
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    i just bit the bullet and paid for a full PPF and ceramic coat. feel sick now lol
     
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    A piece of mind at end of the day that you have a physical object protecting your paint.
     
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    Interested to see how it will work with the OEM paint finish. Let me know how it looks once it's done! If it keeps the same looks as OEM I'd be more likely to consider it.
     

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