Reviews are in for 2020 Supra MKV preproduction car

[SS900]

As much as I love the MKIV, this car will out perform it stock for stock. MKIV was a 13.2-13.4 @ 106-108 car

MKV will have no issue running 12s north of 110.

No one is arguing the performance.

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[PerformanceSound]

$500 million for a MT

Actually... from a manufacturing point of view it will add a lot of money to the cost of the car. The more options you offer, the more money you are committed to. My guess they are not expecting to move a lot of units and that’s why they are keeping an open mind for the future without committing to it now. If they sell more than expected then they will add options. Simple business.

How did; Ford, GM, Dodge, etc... manage to get a 1000hp capable TR6060 ( aka T56 Magnum) in their $40k Mustangs, Camaro’s, and Challengers??? Your telling me for a limited production car $55-$60k MKV, it would have cost $500m to implement this versatile beefy transmission?? I think Toyota is just flat out scared of manual transmissions after what happened with the MKIV Getrag debacle.

 

[The Comedian]

As much as I love the MKIV, this car will out perform it stock for stock. MKIV was a 13.2-13.4 @ 106-108 car

MKV will have no issue running 12s north of 110.

You'd assume after 25 years it would outperform the previous model....

 

[Jdmuscle]

@PerformanceSound

Bro.. calm down. Sales and market perception over time will show Toyota what saving a meaningless penny will yield them.

It’ll be a BMW with BMW issues and over time people will walk away from them like the previous gen M cars. Most of them end up in junk yards or insurance jobs.

 

[SS900]

How did; Ford, GM, Dodge, etc... manage to get a 1000hp capable TR6060 ( aka T56 Magnum) in their $40k Mustangs, Camaro’s, and Challengers??? Your telling me for a limited production car $55-$60k MKV, it would have cost $500m to implement this versatile beefy transmission?? I think Toyota is just flat out scared of manual transmissions after what happened with the MKIV Getrag debacle.

I used to be a head project manager for a manufacturing company (not cars) and was heavily involved in the decision making of what options we can offer and saw how it changes the final price of even the basic version. My point is that the more variations you offer, even the basic model final price gets effected. It drives the total price up to cover any risks associated with sales failure.

In my opinion that is what Toyota is doing, keeping costs as low as possible for now to get people interested and as the units reach x amount of sales, then they can afford (willing) to make additional investment into the product. They are just going to be doing it backwards, wait for results before they invest.

It’s kind of shows the minimalist approach Toyota took and taking with this car. Spend as least amount as possible creating a car they can pass off as a Supra. They want proof of concept in a sense before they will be willing to further develop it. Read the articles, they have a lot of ideas they would love to explorer but not just yet......

 

[PerformanceSound]

It’ll be a BMW with BMW issues and over time people will walk away from them like the previous gen M cars. Most of them end up in junk yards or insurance jobs.

Damn....the thought just makes me cringe. We gotta face reality I suppose, it’s true it’s too late. I need to start focusing more on the car I told you about earlier.

 

[SS900]

@PerformanceSound

Bro.. calm down. Sales and market perception over time will show Toyota what saving a meaningless penny will yield them.

It’ll be a BMW with BMW issues and over time people will walk away from them like the previous gen M cars. Most of them end up in junk yards or insurance jobs.

Brother, I feel you on a lot of things but you got to let go. You need to forget the Supra the way you know it, this is a new kind of car for a new kind of customer that just want to own a sports car with the name Supra attached to it. Let the anger die, it’s pointless at this point and won’t change anything.

I guarantee you this will be a fun car for what it is, But it’s not a real Supra to a lot of us. Pretend there isn’t a new Supra. It’s a Z4 coupe tuned by Toyota. Problem solved.

 

[2JZ-No-Sh*t]

Skimping though all the Instagram live stories here is what I saw:

1. All of the test cars were I6s.
2. No confirmation of the 4 cyl model. One guy said they may not even do it because of the Supra image needing to be a straight six.
3. All of them are EU spec.
4. Auto only at first, but talks of a manual are under consideration. They are currently working with the marketing side to see if it is feasible.
5. The US spec model maybe more powerful and louder.
6. A stock A80 could not keep up in a straight line or around the corners.
7. Even though the A90 was camo up, people loved the lines and curves.
8. Pricing was not released, but there were hints of it being cheaper than the Z4. Like the $50k range.
9. No weight was released, but drivers said it felt relatively light.

 

[bogglo]

reading through the review, I picked 2 interesting thing.

1) they are talking/thinking about a manual transmission in a turbo I4 (What is the possibility of a lexus turbo I4 from the IS/GS making it into the supra as the 4 cylinder engine?

2) for the past 4years BMW and Toyota has not worked together on either the supra or the z4. even though a lot of us think the Supra is a BMW with Toyota badge. But for 4years a lot could have happened IMO.


There are some people on this forum that I feel like should know how to act better. There is a way to voice your opinion that even someone who would normally not agree with you can at least reason with what you saying. If I am Toyota would I rather listen to some one who come at me respectfully or some one who disregard all my effort just because I did not please them on one thing?

Most of you guys complaining and going back and fort about what this car could have been, All of you need to learn from someone like
@Jeff Lange. IMO he is in the same boat as most of you guys but go back and look at most of his post.

You either stay respected by showing restraint, or...

 

[Spilner]

Brother, I feel you on a lot of things but you got to let go. You need to forget the Supra the way you know it, this is a new kind of car for a new kind of customer that just want to own a sports car with the name Supra attached to it. Let the anger die, it’s pointless at this point and won’t change anything.

I guarantee you this will be a fun car for what it is, But it’s not a real Supra to a lot of us. Pretend there isn’t a new Supra. It’s a Z4 coupe tuned by Toyota. Problem solved.

When is any new iteration of a car the real thing?

 

[Captain_Kirk]

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/toyota-supra-bmw-z4/

Toyota's Supra engineers haven't talked to BMW since 2014

The rebirth of Toyota's iconic supercar is very definitely happening, thanks to the help of BMW, but once the initial engineering was done Toyota's team chose to do it their own way.

It's no secret that there's a lot of BMW riding underneath the new Toyota Supra that I was just lucky enough to drive. An awful, awful lot of BMW. The engine, transmission, chassis and much of the rest of the machine that lies under the skin is far more DTM than JDM. That's not a bad thing, because BMW makes a fine car, but if you had visions of two automotive behemoths working hand-in-hand all day and then going to share some brats and tonkatsu after hours, think again.

At the first drive of the prototype in Madrid, Supra Assistant Chief Engineer Masayuki Kai said that his team hasn't spoken with anyone from BMW since 2014. That's just two years after the 2012 partnership began.

"We agreed on the packaging," Kai said, "like where is the hip-point of the driver, what's the wheelbase, the width, where's the fuel tank, where's the A-pillar, this was around the middle of 2014... After that we completely separated our team. After that, no communication with each other."

How complete was the communication black-out? Kai doesn't even know how much of the shared components developed for both Toyota Supra and BMW Z4 will actually be in the Z4. "Basically, the platform is the same... so we assume that we are using the same components, but as I mentioned, we are not sure that they will use the same components."

Now, just because much of the hardware is the same doesn't mean the cars will be anything alike when it comes to driving dynamics. These days, tuning of a car's feel is as much about fiddling in software as it is adjusting camber and caster. Kai said the team has worked extensively on the tuning of the adaptive suspension, engine and transmission to get the feel exactly how Toyota wants it. "Tuning of the shifting, some of the shift-shock, shift-speed, all if this is specifically designed for our Supra... For the engine, we tuned the engine for throttle response and a little more sport."

And how does he think it'll compare to the Z4? On that question Kai demurred. He then asked the assembled journalists whether any of us had driven one.

 

[boodjohn]

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/toyota-supra-bmw-z4/

I find this extremely hard to believe.

Business transactions completed on a no-talking basis formality is not good for both. There HAS to be communication between both partners.

More like BMW's pride was hurt when BMW delivered a product to which Toyota made revisions of their own desires.

 

[Jdmuscle]

Lost in translation ?? Maybe.. it makes no sense they didn’t talk to each other all these years but we saw the cars being tested all along with each other. Simple BS if there wasn’t a translation problem here.

 

[Spilner]

I find this extremely hard to believe.

Business transactions completed on a no-talking basis formality is not good for both. There HAS to be communication between both partners.

More like BMW's pride was hurt when BMW delivered a product to which Toyota made revisions of their own desires.

Double whammy when BMW loses to Toyota at SPA
Treble when Tada helps them upgrade the Z4 lol

 

[SS900]

reading through the review, I picked 2 interesting thing.

1) they are talking/thinking about a manual transmission in a turbo I4 (What is the possibility of a lexus turbo I4 from the IS/GS making it into the supra as the 4 cylinder engine?

2) for the past 4years BMW and Toyota has not worked together on either the supra or the z4. even though a lot of us think the Supra is a BMW with Toyota badge. But for 4years a lot could have happened IMO.


There are some people on this forum that I feel like should know how to act better. There is a way to voice your opinion that even someone who would normally not agree with you can at least reason with what you saying. If I am Toyota would I rather listen to some one who come at me respectfully or some one who disregard all my effort just because I did not please them on one thing?

Most of you guys complaining and going back and fort about what this car could have been, All of you need to learn from someone like
@Jeff Lange. IMO he is in the same boat as most of you guys but go back and look at most of his post.

You either stay respected by showing restraint, or...

Really unnecessary. This forum is for everyone to express their opinions, good and bad. No one is personally attacking anyone accept when people post things like you just did. You are asking for the accused to respond to your post without realizing it. Technically this is the kind of posts that piss people off and things get out of shape quickly. We are all entitled to our opinions.

Let me put something in perspective here. If you take away all the old school A80 fanatics, the ones who are truly responsible for the success of the A80 (it was no sales champ), a lot of you would never even be interested in a car called Supra, let alone an A90.

Those who were there and were apart of something special (and still is) are the reason you are here. So, I think they earned the right to be disappointed and vent if they wanted to. We are only human, be respectful and try to see both sides. This is not war.

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