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A BMW interior in a Toyota? That is simply unacceptable. I hope there will be more changes to come. BMW makes the worst interiors in the car industry. I wonder how they get away with that and customers paying a premium for that under-grade interior. BMW M4 (€70K) interior is worse than Dacia (€10K).

New B58 based block with modified B58 components. It is always cheaper and easier (if the base is not too bad to start with) to modify and improve than the build from scratch. Most new engines are (except 1LR for example) are made based on combinations and improvements of previous engines. But...

A BMW interior in a Toyota? That is simply unacceptable. I hope there will be more changes to come. BMW makes the worst interiors in the car industry. I wonder how they get away with that and customers paying a premium for that under-grade interior. BMW M4 (€70K) interior is worse than Dacia...

Every one raves about German interiors and such, in pure objectivity they have nothing better than other car makers, they are often worse. Too late to change anything.

To be honest, other than the old Elise/Exige, Ariel and BAC Mono, every car has something fake, even Porsche, Lamborghini and Ferrari. But yes, I want car design to return to this: No huge grill, fake vents, just classy clean design.

How easy will it be to bring the weight further down to 1200 kg without completely stripping the interior bare to the metal?

The Supra simply needs the S58 from the up-coming X3/X4 M and sell for 50K. End.

No way it is going to happen.

No, everything other than a Dacia and Toyota (Yaris, Corolla, Camry, RAV4, whatever there is bland and boring).

Whatever the price of this "BMW", no other BMW M2 or M4 or M8 will have a sitting position close to it. Those are souped-up cars, the Z4 is a proper sports car base, souped up to luxury. It is easier to strip down a luxed-out sports car, than to transform a commuter car into a sports car. No BMW...

Just a logo for me. If I do not care, it is good then.

Most long car release ever. Even longer than the turbocharged BRZ/GT86.

Fix the factor weight, the Shelby is 400 lbs heavier. Adding power is easier than shedding weight.

Well, same engine as GT86. But what point of I6 that makes the same 350 PS as F4?

Well, but the goal is lightweight with much power, not heavy with even more power to compensate the added weight.

By the time the new Supra is out, there will be a new M3 and a new Cayman.

10 inch shorter wheelbase than M2, yet only 4 inches shorter. Overhangs are too long. :mad:

Has change.org ever changed anything? I stumbled upon this. No wonder they never made it and will never make it. https://www.change.org/p/mazda-make-a-nd-miata-coupe

I am German so I know. I just wish German cars were factually better than rely on marketing and brand value to sell, or just be cheaper, because right now they are a very bad value, that also negatively impacted the rest of the industry. Car prices are crazy high, because of tech nobody (at...

Fiats and Alfas never let me down. From my experience they are as reliable as Toyota owners claim their Toyota to be., simply built with lower tolerances. You are just repeating unjustified stereotypes and anecdotes. There you go making nation wars. Not that I care, but I could also add...