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Will this GR Corolla really directly compete with the STI? STI are 37k starting. I see this slotting above the Veloster N but below the STI. Somewhere in the 30k starting price range. The next gen STI will most likely have the 2.4 turbo, which is why I don't see the 1.6 Corolla directly...

MY22 is going to get 400hp and a manual. You heard it here first.

Shouldn't be a big deal. The best bang/dollar is removing the factory catalytic converter. This is basically just removing the factory cat and replacing it with a hollow tube that sits outside of the engine.

Per Toyota: The increased output results from a slew of upgrades throughout the engine. The new dual-branch exhaust manifold, with six ports instead of two, improves heat management. A new piston design reduces the engine’s compression ratio from 11:1 to 10.2:1. Toyota was probably able to...

Look at the specs published by Toyota. They literally tell you the torque curve. We're not comparing a flat 6 with an inline 6. MY20 and MY21 are basically still the same engines. Why would the torque curve even change that much?

Not sure how that's trolling? Toyota themselves said they used the Cayman as a benchmark.

A lawsuit makes more sense if it's related to the safety of the consumer. This isn't the same and the consumer has very little leverage IMO.

You can de-tune the motor to be the same HP as the MY20. There are other ways to approach this without upsetting early Supra adopters.

You're starting to get into the Porsche Cayman territory, and I don't think Toyota can win that one.

Do you blame the CEO of a company or the analyst that forgot check one line on an excel spreadsheet when the public finds out the company hasn't been accurately reporting their financial statements?

Better to piss off Supra owners than the millions of Camry owners!

You need to look harder. These cars can be easily bought for less than MSRP. Dealers are taking advantage of buyers who don't shop around.

Regarding the power bump... The Toyota bean counters won at the end of the day. Obviously Toyota knew the power bump would piss off a lot of the early adopters, but Toyota also knew the MY20 335HP was overpriced given its price point. Just look at the Supras sitting in showrooms for 3-4k off...

Poor timing. You may want to adjust your asking price or keep the car now since the MY21 was announced today. :(

I agree. We all want the best value. A MY20 and MY21 will most likely cost about the same, so it sucks for MY20 owners. If MY21 is being sold for 50k, then MY20 should sticker for 46k if we want to talk about value.

Not sure how you're pulling those numbers. The current 3.0 models can be easily had for 3k+ off MSRP. They're having a hard time selling them. What makes you think they're going to sell more by increasing the cost further? This is a Toyota. Let's get real here.

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/u-s-market-toyota-supra-four-cylinder-officially-announced.3338/page-4#post-68311 Do I win anything for my prediction?

You bought a BMW. That's the normal depreciation curve lol. Kidding, good luck.

Feel wise, it'll be about the same between MY20 and MY21. The torque is pretty much the same. Still doesn't change the fact that Toyota pretty much kicked early adopters right in the balls. When these Supras start hitting the used market in 5-10 years, the MY20 will be worth less.

It's just a change in the torque curve, i.e., the torque doesn't dip as much after 4k RPM. HP is just a function of torque. 0-60 will feel about the same. The car won't seem like it's out of breath once you're past 80mph or so. You're still limited to 155mph or whatever.