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You mean a nerfed pre-production car that you haven't personally driven? Not one, not one, said it was a failure yet you said EVERYONE did

No one does actually, you know its not out yet right?

Not to mention, it is an apple to oranges comparison. The r35 is a superior car thats double the price lol

You were never trying to say that, you just wanted to argue with me If you would have actually opened your eyes and read what I wrote instead of trying to argue, you would have seen that I mentioned that 3 times.

I have no idea. I was simply stating how unintuitive bmw turn signals used to be and you were arguing with me as if im a Toyota fan boy hating for no reason. The reality is that I'm a bmw fan boy that is knowledgeable of their faults and pitfalls

Luckily I already said twice in this thread new BMW's changed it :thumbsup: Edit: actually 3 times.

Newer BMW models do not have the same indicator, seems we have dodged a bullet

EDIT: Here it references "C" and "S" Here it references the G11 having the "T0P"

The 'C' is quite confusing when looking at the B57 example because it is also referenced as "S" and "T0P" in various documentation. "S" referring to Super and, "TO" meaning "Top-new development" while "P" is a mystery

I think there is some confusion here. The 20i and 30i are both 4 cyl B48's. I was under the impression the 20i Supra would not be available in the US.

The center position is one thing, but BMW's system to cancel is by using the same direction that is active. IE: turning off the right turn signal by pressing up to trigger the right turn signal again. As Jeff mentioned, the Lexus system cancels it upon using it in the opposite direction, which...

This is a tough question and I think even Toyota will have a tough time pricing this car with all the competition since HP is so cheap today. I believe the models will stack as follows for the US market (mind you, I believe the car is a hard sell even at my predicted prices until I drive the...

This is where our disconnect is, you're under the impression I have never used them. I had them in my E92, and although it only takes an hour or so to get used to, I believe it is a clunky mechanism that is unnecessarily different

The new M3, X3 M, and X4 M have also been spied at the ring this week. I find it interesting that after the Z4 release, the A90 has been spied in track form alongside BMW's M division :headbang:

Looking at the glass half-full, sharing parts with many BMWs means the MKV won't have near as much trouble finding parts in the future as the MKIV

No it is nonsense for sole fact that is not intuitive. If you pull any sort of lever, you expect the inverse of that action to cancel or reverse the function. Upon first encounter, you never expect that pulling the lever again will cancel the action, I am a Senior Software Engineer...

LMAO.......... The fact that BMW is getting rid of that feature is proof that it is counter-intuitive....

The number of flashes or the tap to flash is actually irrelevant to this feature. It is that the BMW stalk is always in the neutral position. In a normal car, the stalk is moved up to turn right and stays there until you have completed your turn or push it down manually. The BMW has a short...

They removed them and the X5 parts for whatever reason

It's not that it's hard, it's that it's unnecessary overengineered. Not to mention, it's clunky for those unfamiliar with BMW's. I absolutely hated it in my E92 (my first bmw)