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I think it's gonna be a long waiting game now that unfortunately began with bad news.

that article just brought up another point of contention, which is a tire size comparison between the Z4 and Supra.

It is absolute, but I cannot give specific details on the motor beyond that.

all black everything here lol... but I'm done washing them once a week and removing scratches despite how great they look when clean.

Cost vs performance for the 86 was more or less where it should be for the market. Did I want more power, yeah, but I also would have paid more for it too.. Put another way, is it competitive? He was saying that cost/benefit was not competitive in his opinion. it really can't, unless there is...

part of part of my issue with this, aside from other parts, is the output and how its using B58 numbers as said. the new engine in the Supra uses an iron block and a new head and apparently has been tested to reliably hold 700hp. This was the design requirement Toyota issued to BMW; ensure the...

There are some things in that info that definitely seem to be guesses, and that's why I'm still on the fence regardless. Problem is, I can't really confirm it because my US contacts are few and far between, especially product planners and sales people. To paraphrase Leia, help me Guff, you are...

It's a very bad look if true, especially given what it's still capable of right now in testing guise. Why not buy a Z for $25k less?

Better to share it vs not, Guff

I'm getting some chatter back from other US sources saying they are unaware of this source or any official spec sheet, so now I'm super confused. Might be a disinformation campaign to knock hype down until close to release.

I asked a source close to Tada about it and he was like, well, Toyota USA may have had their way with the car. This is something I mentioned a long time ago as an internal issue Tada was fighting to prevent, and maybe he didn't end up winning... There's still a chance this isn't true or that...

Bad news, looks like Toyota USA may have pulled another we want everything under the sun on this car (c. A80) ... Just confirmed again, car as tested is indeed 3050lbs without all the bloat ware. Good luck Europe and Australia. I am very disappointed if true.

Given BMWs goals and user base, it would be more in their benefit to stay with the B58 or other aluminum block I6. That said, we shall see.

I actually have no idea what the curb weight is for the Z4; I've never asked or been told. There was a massive performance difference between them on track though at one point, and perhaps it was due to far more heft among other things, but that's just a guess. In any case, the Supra is fairly...

For one of them, presumably never, even once refreshed lol.

I was definitely knocking the motor in the LC500 (because it's old and it doesn't have enough power for that car IMO), but that's one of the reasons I have a new project so can't be too negative lol 467hp is barely decent for the 4000lb RC-F; 470hp for the 4500lb LC? No thanks, but I do...

yeah, its automatically activated AFAIK.

maybe not so carried away :D

they were in the beginning, but eventually they started to really like Tada specifically and one source believes he may do contract work for them in the future now that he is officially retired from tenure at Toyota.

... no comment lol