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yeah, that's the entire point of everything and what really matters: power to weight ratios. Also, generally the lighter the car the better, while maintaining an equal ratio.

That said, my buddy has the Vette Z06 AT, and that thing is incredible in a way I never thought I'd experience outside of a manual or DCT, so maybe I need to go drive a sporty ZF8 equipped car to see how it responds to inputs.

I personally think that I'd answer that question as yes if it had a DCT or 6spd option. Do I believe that car is worth it being ZF8 equipped? For me? No. Other than that, the only car worth a damn (IMO) in that price bracket is the vette, and that's the car I've always compared the Supras to as...

well said, basically the car will be impressive but patience are virtue.

the Supra would absolutely annihilate a 370z in every way (0-60, 1/4, road course, etc). you also cant compare used cars with new cars; apples to oranges.

Focus RS is about $40kusd around here M2 is 55k, Vette is 55k, RS3 os 55k, and A45 AMG is 78k

there's something out there for everyone. I personally am unlikely to buy the new Supra based on several factors, and if I do it will be a GR trim (after I dump 1-2 of my other cars).

yeah, up to 80k in today's money adjusted for inflation... sure, there are differences to be sure, but that's a lot more money than this. there's something out there for everyone. I personally am unlikely to buy the new Supra based on several factors, and if I do it will be a GR trim (after I...

hate to be the bearer of bad news then...

:D

in fact, let's take that 67k and add the stuff that comes standard on everything else: -Self adjusting LED headlights -2 way adjustable seats (full leather) -PDK (closest to auto) -Adaptive cruise control -Lane assist -Auto dimming mirrors -Dual zone climate = $78,750 and there's TONS of...

yeah, I want to see it as well :)

who said the car is gonna cost Porsche prices? o_O well, unless the Cayman S magically comes down in price by about $12-15k. And again, the Cayman at that 67k level is about as bare bones as it gets...

yep, it has a cost window of $140-160k from what I was told

LOL without that circle, all would be lost...

oh look, someone with a balanced outlook based on all factors... what a novel concept :)

Ugh, I could feel my soul being sucked out through the screen... :confused:

they're jumping the gun with that title, but hey whatever right? lol

I wanted to have a little fun at your expense :D

have to keep in mind that Toyota is aware of the competition and has to adjust the car accordingly