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You mean like the Supra? ?

I once co-drove a stock Evo VIII on Hoosiers. This happened.

Exaggerated to make a point, yes. Poking fun at the Supra. It was comical, though. I literally LOLed.

I get him being controversial for the sake of views... But he may have gone a bit far this time. Usually it's funny, this was painful. I gave up after the luggage incident. LOL

I remember him talking about "driving feel". Did he actually say it was a "drivers car"? I can't view the video from work, to review. ?

On my yellow car, I'm 100% going bronze. Anthracite would be plan B. On this particular car, the OEM wheels were this color and I really liked them. The Apex have just a slight change in appearance- nothing drastic- which was my goal. I'm very happy with these wheels and may use them on the...

More black wheels? Yay ..... The Anthracite looks great on my car, by the way

Would be awesome.

I second this. That would be awesome. Too bad they are locked in with Subaru. ?

Which I believe also to be true. Still doesn't mean it drives better. Facts/data play no part in a car having a better "feel". Emotion is probably 95% of it. That's why it's called "feel" and not "stats" and also why so many cars that have low stats are regarded as some of the best-driving cars...

True. Hard to say. Honestly, I watch SG for the bit of technical info and news I can get...I ignore everything else. What I need from a car RARELY lines up with what "automotive journalist" think I need lol

If you haven't driven a Z, how do you know it's nonsense? A car doesn't have to be a better performer to be better driving. A car can lose in every single category and still be more fun to drive. I'm thinking you are misunderstanding what "driver's car" means.

That's the basis of why we're not agreeing: you are speaking in objective terms which has little/nothing to do with the feel of a car. You are right: the Supra is the better, by the numbers. Literally everyone here and SG states that. How a car feels can't be quantified with numbers. As for...

Your opinion, of course. ??

For some of us, driver feel is hugely important. It's the first thing I look for. I just sold a car I only had for 3mos because, though it was a beast at the track, it didn't feel right for me. If I look back on the cars I've owned, in the past and present, it's obvious power isn't my thing...

Oh. That's different, then. I saw "suede" which I stay away from since it's impossible to keep clean. Is "leather ring" the centering stripe?

If there's ever an Alcantara version, I'm in.

A LOT of panels. I was genuinely impressed with the aero on that car.

I'm just doing a local AX event for fun. It gives me a chance to let the car get loose with no consequence. I know people say to do AX first, but I don't know. I didn't try AX until doing years of HPDE. Not a bad idea, though, I guess. But My situation is different; my local AX is in a small...

There's discussion, then there's people taking things personally, in some way. I guess we all gotta choose our own battles. Personally, I couldn't care any less that someone doesn't like my car. I'm glad- otherwise everybody would have one. For example: All the BMW comments I get? Don't care. ...