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Would have been easier since Z4 20i is offered with manual already. And since manual 400Z is comming in 2021 with its lower price, that may be an impulse for Toyota to include one faster if they are planning to. So maybe 2021? We will probably know more towards the end of the year, maybe some...

Dont worry, this car is not that low actually as it seems from the outside. I drove and parked everywhere I wanted (ofc common sense included) with no issues. Just be aware of the front end lip when U park. Have fun with the car ;)

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/toyotas-iconic-supra-gets-an-entry-level-upgrade-11595596000 Any1 got access to post full article?

I dont think its a matter of having access to supercars. I did drive Ferraris, Porsches, 500+hp cars and can appreciate cars from any price range. Good journalist who lives from this should too, thats expected. He dont even know what tires are on the car, in what size, where is the rev limiter...

2.0 vs 718 German so turn on subbitles, all in all he prefers Supra 2.0 VERY slightly, he says they are actually even, which is imo a good win for 2.0 considering the lack of features compared to 3.0 and that the competitor is 300hp PDK Porsche.

Any1 knows what size and weight f/r are 18" wheels on 2.0 ?

Oh I knew Your point from the begining, its just I dont agree on disregarding his opinion just because he prefers lighter feeling cars and for that reason he prefers 2.0 handling. Dont get me wrong, I liked 3.0 a lot when I drove it. In fact I'm getting Supra early next year. But I did wish it...

1250kg is quite light for a modern sports car that is not stripped like Lotus, isnt it? Everything is 1500kg or more nowadays... He apperciates the lightness that MX5 gives. Personally I dont like MX5 coz of its floaty suspension, I dont like body roll and that car is full of it. I just get his...

How is it odd when its "the" benchmark? If carbon was cheap we would have had it in every sports car possbile, for lightness. Every supercar tries to be as light as possible, every track version is even lighter, every race car is as light as possible, GT4 Supra is also over 150kg lighter...

There is new review from EVO for 3.0 2021 but in paper form (out now) so.... we needa wait for online publication right?

It depends how the car drives, what is the weight, how is the sitting position, the steering feel, the balance, in what way power is delivered just to name a few. So what if its manual, 300hp and cheaper if it will be worse in those areas, or weights more? I'll gladly pay more for superior car...

I'm 188cm and I got like 1cm to the roof with seat on lowest setting :D Also, the perception of sitting low in GT86, S2000 or Cayman is amplified compared to Supra, I'd love to go additional 2-3cm down. BTW cool photos on insta ;)

Oh man, I just realized, from the 1st post: "the latest info from BestCar says the VR30DDTT will come in two tunes; one with 300hp and 400hp." So there it comes from, BestCar. How did I miss it lol.... :banghead::banghead::banghead:

Also, if this render is accurate, this car is already boring looking, miles behind the Supra imo... Sports car should be exotic, flashy, not tonned down. Not sold on this but will wait for full car release. No no, I think 300hp version sounds good coz competition offers one so it would be...

Coz for the Supra there were rumours about 2.0 from the start and from "insiders" and which engine it will be, Cayman always had low power and higher power versions etc. Here its not a "leak", its just "yeah they got it in 2 power trims at Infniti, maybe they throw it here". I thought its some...

I know that but is this what we base the assumption on? Depends A LOT on weight for me. Base Supra here in 258hp sure, but its also 1395kg which is lighter than PDK 718. 300hp but with 1500kg is a different story.

Where does the info about 300hp in a 400Z comes from? BestCar? Coz I didnt see it being mentioned earlier.... So still TT V6 but detunned to 300?

Not owning one yet (will next year finally:spaz:) but after driving 3.0 for quite a lot of time: Like: 1. Handling - car is lively, predictable, quite communicative. Ofc its not as sharp as old n/a sports cars but imo its the best out of the new breed of turbo modern sports cars. 2. Looks -...

S58 (imo best I6 on the market right now), DCT, probably lower weight, more hardcore suspension, good aero, Supra looks? Now that just got on top of my list to buy 1day :eek: Shame it will be limited = almost unbuyable with sensible ammount of money :( Now I am waiting for Supra GRMN vs 718 GT4...

EU ver. got open as standard. I confirmed it. In that configuration car weights 1395kg (less than base PDK 718). I assume USA base is same as here (no seats, e diff, dampers, smaller brakes), so it should have none too. Also, the 2.0 got no engine oil cooler but got transmission oil cooler only...