Other than its front, I just think this iteration is just ugly af. It's under powered for 2023 and still only a front wheel drive. Incidentally, I notice a bunch of us seem to have gone from/are going from a Type R to a Supra.
Coming from owning 92 NA-1 NSX and 97 ITR, how nimble and sexy they were and scream for more at 8000RPM...Oh yes.. LOLHaving owned an '00 ITR and driven an EK CTR, I'm forever spoiled and can't enjoy any of the new ones
They sure are fast, though. I'll give them that.
....well, it is a Civic....
But, the R and RS have always been AWD. They are separate models, not newer, AWD versions of the GTi and ST. Same with the GRs.
They're all hot hatches though and so competing in the same space. Honda is just being stubborn (and cheap) by not moving to an AWD system. They moved away from being NA because of emissions, and they will move away from front wheel drive eventually too because of performance. Not many hot hatches remain that are exclusively FWD.
The old Veloster, i20n, i30n, GTi, Focus ST, Fiesta ST, Megane RS, Cupra Leon (I think), and I could go on. All are FWD that the CTR could compete with.They're all hot hatches though and so competing in the same space. Honda is just being stubborn (and cheap) by not moving to an AWD system. They moved away from being NA because of emissions, and they will move away from front wheel drive eventually too because of performance. Not many hot hatches remain that are exclusively FWD.
Yeah not here in Australia. The STs were never competitors here for example. The only real competiion was the Focus RS, Megane RS and the Golf GTI/R. And up until very recently, the Hyundais weren't (and for my money still aren't) considered relevant.
This too. I've grown out of the hot hatch (performance/utility compromise) segment and hence am moving up to a Supra.
That's all fair. Yeah, I was thinking the global market, but considering local, I can see what you mean. I still have a soft spot for those hatches, though ... I wouldn't mind have a couple of them.Yeah not here in Australia. The STs were never competitors here for example. The only real competiion was the Focus RS, Megane RS and the Golf GTI/R. And up until very recently, the Hyundais weren't (and for my money still aren't) considered relevant.
As of the last generation Type R, Honda increased the prices here so much that they began punching well above their weight, hence why I see it a bit differently.
I am further biased by the fact that Honda have also completely lost the plot here in other ways. In the last few years they have forced almost all the dealerships here to close and have moved to a fixed price Australia wide model.
They also refuse (at least in my experience) to even let anyone test drive a Type R without putting down a "if you like it you are committed to buying it" deposit.
I love my FN2 Type R but I'm done with Honda as a motor car company.. and their latest offerings do nothing to change my mind.
This too. I've grown out of the hot hatch (performance/utility compromise) segment and hence am moving up to a Supra.
