Anyone with an MT running a pedal box for track?

[zackarybyrd]

Hey all,

I am considering putting a pedal box in my MT Supra. Is there anyone out there on the track who has done this already? If so I'd like to hear about it!

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[tomfree]

Zack, when you say "pedal box", are you talking about an aftermarket pedal assembly, like this one from Wilwood?
https://www.wilwood.com/Pedals/PedalList?mc=Swing Mount Tandem Brake and Clutch Pedal

Usually, doing pedal box swaps like this go hand-in-hand with going to manual brakes, and I'm not aware of issues with our booster that really drives the need for a move to manual brakes.

Personally, I HATE manual brakes, even for full race cars. The improved feel is outweighed by the effort for me.

 

[zackarybyrd]

Zack, when you say "pedal box", are you talking about an aftermarket pedal assembly, like this one from Wilwood?
https://www.wilwood.com/Pedals/PedalList?mc=Swing Mount Tandem Brake and Clutch Pedal

Usually, doing pedal box swaps like this go hand-in-hand with going to manual brakes, and I'm not aware of issues with our booster that really drives the need for a move to manual brakes.

Personally, I HATE manual brakes, even for full race cars. The improved feel is outweighed by the effort for me.

Yeah, basically. I was thinking like maybe a less expensive version of this one though.

https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecID=7428

Admittedly I’ve never put anything like this in my cars before and don’t know a whole lot about it. Knowing myself I’d *probably* be ok with the effort of manual brakes for more feel and modulation.

The problem I’m trying to solve is that I don’t like the way the brake and throttle pedals sit relative to one another, and if I move close enough to get the clutch all the way down my brake is too close to me. It’s not the worst thing ever but I’ve had the car a while and still don’t love it.

 

[zackarybyrd]

Yeah, basically. I was thinking like maybe a less expensive version of this one though.

https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecID=7428

Admittedly I’ve never put anything like this in my cars before and don’t know a whole lot about it. Knowing myself I’d *probably* be ok with the effort of manual brakes for more feel and modulation.

The problem I’m trying to solve is that I don’t like the way the brake and throttle pedals sit relative to one another, and if I move close enough to get the clutch all the way down my brake is too close to me. It’s not the worst thing ever but I’ve had the car a while and still don’t love it.

I’ve used an adjustable throttle spacer from rennline (Porsche parts but it works) with/without heel toe extensions and it makes the brake and throttle spacing better, but then when I sit where I want to be I have trouble getting the clutch to the floor. I probably don’t have to get it all the way down there but I like the feedback.

 

[tomfree]

I think a pedal box is WAAAAAAY too drastic a solution for the challenges you mention. Integrating a full pedal assembly is a lot of work and tweaking. Pedal stops, pedal covers, etc (which you have experience with) are your droid. I've not driven an MT Supra, but generally BMW is excellent with pedal placement for heel and toe. My old e36 track car was great for H&T, even with the factory pedals/pedal covers.

 

[FLtrackdays]

I’ve used an adjustable throttle spacer from rennline (Porsche parts but it works) with/without heel toe extensions and it makes the brake and throttle spacing better, but then when I sit where I want to be I have trouble getting the clutch to the floor. I probably don’t have to get it all the way down there but I like the feedback.

Typically people would buy different pedals covers (or modify to the increase the width of the pedal) or bend the bar. I’ve heard of people doing both in their Mustangs, back in the day. If it’s a height issue (your height) they make different seats that would be a better solution imo. You can slide or mount them up closer.

 

[zackarybyrd]

I think a pedal box is WAAAAAAY too drastic a solution for the challenges you mention. Integrating a full pedal assembly is a lot of work and tweaking. Pedal stops, pedal covers, etc (which you have experience with) are your droid. I've not driven an MT Supra, but generally BMW is excellent with pedal placement for heel and toe. My old e36 track car was great for H&T, even with the factory pedals/pedal covers.

Heard. The brake and throttle I can probably deal with. I’m the problem, it’s me. However, I would like to find a way to bring the clutch a little closer.

Typically people would buy different pedals covers (or modify to the increase the width of the pedal) or bend the bar. I’ve heard of people doing both in their Mustangs, back in the day. If it’s a height issue (your height) they make different seats that would be a better solution imo. You can slide or mount them up closer.

Bend the bar sounds interesting. What happens is if I get my seat where I want it for the clutch, the throttle and brake feel a bit too close. If I get my seat where I want it for the throttle and brake, the end of my clutch travel feels too far away as in putting the clutch to the floor is about as far as I can stretch my leg.

It’s not like this is completely unlivable or anything it would just be more comfortable (for me) if I could change how the pedals sit a little bit-push the brake and throttle further in or bring the clutch and the floor closer to me.

 

[zackarybyrd]

maybe my left leg is shorter than my right leg and I just never noticed until now. You guys know of any platform driving shoes? Hahaha.

 

[FLtrackdays]

maybe my left leg is shorter than my right leg and I just never noticed until now. You guys know of any platform driving shoes? Hahaha.

Now you’re on to something. Get some Spice Girl specials that are extra wide. Problem solved at a fraction of the price

 

[tomfree]

maybe my left leg is shorter than my right leg and I just never noticed until now. You guys know of any platform driving shoes? Hahaha.

While not exactly elegant, I know plenty of folks who have simply bolted a block of wood on the pedal to get it closer to them. More elegant options, have someone 3d print a block for you, with some kind of pedal-like surface on top. Another, send something to send cut send, and they'll fab you a pedal extension out of steel or aluminum.

The downside to this is the angle of the pedal doesn't change, it just has a block bolted to it now. You could integrate an angle change in to the block to have it be a little more natural, but I'd start with a block-o-wood first to see if that gives you the reach you want.

 

[tomfree]

Typically people would buy different pedals covers (or modify to the increase the width of the pedal) or bend the bar. I’ve heard of people doing both in their Mustangs, back in the day. If it’s a height issue (your height) they make different seats that would be a better solution imo. You can slide or mount them up closer.

Since you speak of Mustangs...I have a '93 Mustang GT LeMons car, and the factory pedal configuration is abysmal in a Foxbody. I can't come near H&T the car, so I just have to be gentle with the clutch. Since it's a shared car, I can't just hack together pedal covers, or bending pedal bars to make it work for my size 9 feet. One of my teammates has size 14 skis, so any solution that would work for me would have him stepping on 2 pedals at the same time.

That is a car that NEEDS a nice Wilwood pedal box that we can set up where all of us can H&T.

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