Formula 1 Talk

[Dannyvandelft]

Well that was shit.

RedBull missed an opportunity to get Max P3 after Oscar's first stop. Should've pitted immediately after to jump him. Other than that, awful race all around.

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[Dannyvandelft]

The McLaren's are 3 points apart, next race is Barcelona, 2016 repeat?

 

[J29DB03]

Well that was shit.

RedBull missed an opportunity to get Max P3 after Oscar's first stop. Should've pitted immediately after to jump him. Other than that, awful race all around.

Move of the day was George saying fuck it.

 

[Dannyvandelft]

Move of the day was George saying fuck it.

Yeah that was great. Mercedes as a whole should've boycotted it and told Kimi to do the same.

 

[romanLegion9574]

Monaco needs rallycross's joker lap to fix the boredom

 

[Johnny Utah]

The F1 cars of today are just too big and fast for that tight venue. Incredible backdrop, but not much room for real racing. I’m sure they are going to continue to tweak the tire changes / required pit stops.

 

[FLtrackdays]

Even if Max was in front, that race will always suck. Happy for Norris though. Charles is great at qualifying there. And Oscar being able to drive no matter how many time he kissed the barrier, all made for good qualifying laps. But that’s about it. George was right in his comments that it’s a qualifying only circuit.

Move of the day was George saying fuck it.

It almost had an Alonzo-esque Epic feeling, until…. they asked him something over the radio. And “I don’t want to talk about it” - sounded like muffled tears ?. Can’t wait to hear the Red Flags podcast guys review this one ?

 

[Ron L]

We all knew going in that Monaco is 85% Saturday qualifying and 15% Sunday race to just hold on to your position. I said that the mandatory 2 pit stops would NOT lead to any more on track passes (except for lapping slower cars) and maybe add a pass or 2 in pit lane (but who cares). The point is, did you watch it? I did and I would again. I know what it is and I'll just enjoy the spectacle of the venue, the cars, the personalities and the qualifying... so the race sucks. If you don't like it, don't watch it expecting something different! BTW, the move of the race was Norris taking pole on Saturday.

Now, how about the Indy 500? Hours of boredom with a 'sort of' race for the last 20 laps. Oh, sure, there were lots of crazy or stupid things that happen sporadically throughout the race... well, even before the race. I found it all more humorous or scary than exciting. I was just glad that Penske cars didn't win. It's not that I dislike Roger or any of his drivers. In fact, I've always liked Newgarden from before he even got to Penske. I just like variety and don't care for dynasties. Currently I like seeing Alex win. But in a year or 2 I'll get tired of him too and I'll start pulling for some new driver or team.

 

[Ron L]

Here is what George Russell had to say about Monaco as a race event. I pretty much agree with him. I might even make it a regular qualifying on Saturday and a some kind of handicapped qualifying on Sunday. Maybe do a combined time from 2 sessions where one is handicapped with added weight (gas?) and one by time differences from Saturday's runs. And allow the teams to make changes to the car set up during the event...

Here is what Russell said:
"We definitely need to have a real think about what the solution is here in Monaco," Russell sighed, after finishing in 11th behind both Williams cars. "I appreciate trying something this year in the two-stop. Clearly, it did not work at all."

"For all of the drivers, qualifying is the most exhilarating moment of the weekend. Do we accept that? There should be no race, and it's a qualifying race. You do one on Saturday, one on Sunday. The guy who qualifies pole gets some points and gets a little trophy, and the one on Sunday gets some more points."

"That's what we love most. I think that's what you guys enjoy watching the most. And 99% of the other people in Monaco are here sipping champagne on the yacht, so they don't really care..."

 

[johnnyskids]

As others have mentioned, that Monaco race was pretty much the same as all the past 20 years of dry track at Monaco. The two stop only seemed to add some conversation and some imaginary late race chances that never materialized.

George was screwed on Saturday and then again on Sunday when his teams strategy was complete and utter garbage. I fully agreed with is drive through penalty as we don't want to make a precedent for leaving the track to gain an advantage just to take a 5-10 second penalty when that is almost nothing for a Monaco race when you can make up that difference in a handful of laps.

The MotoGP race was likely the best action to watch this past weekend. I saw highlights of that massive pileup crash for F2, but didn't watch much else.

A few weeks ago Formula E was at Monaco and I actually think they put on a much better show. Mind you their cars are significantly smaller, they have that boost feature that they can activate, which this season has been very impactful as it makes the car AWD and really helps with overtakes. They did a mandatory pit stop for 30 second recharge of the batteries, otherwise Formula E cars never really pit (similar to MotoGP). Anyway, it just shows just how much shrinking the cars could improve the wheel to wheel racing on this track.

I'm happy that Oscar isn't just running away with the championship lead as I'm sure everyone would appreciate the drivers championship to be in play for the majority of the season. It does seem like McLaren has almost already secured the constructors championship.

Man, how many races will Yuki last with RB? Or do they just stick with him for the rest of the season similar to last year with Checo and just punt the points. I would say that Yuki didn't help Max much at all at this race, but it's a good thing they have two other "team" drivers on the grip to help lend a helping hand (regardless of what some RB fans might admit, there is some help between the main team and the secondary team, not saying it's massive but certainly more than any other two teams work together).

 

[muhbuhtuh]

they should have the monaco race in the lego cars. im sure that would be more exciting.

at least i was able to get this screenshot before indy 500 started

 

[Dannyvandelft]

As others have mentioned, that Monaco race was pretty much the same as all the past 20 years of dry track at Monaco. The two stop only seemed to add some conversation and some imaginary late race chances that never materialized.

George was screwed on Saturday and then again on Sunday when his teams strategy was complete and utter garbage. I fully agreed with is drive through penalty as we don't want to make a precedent for leaving the track to gain an advantage just to take a 5-10 second penalty when that is almost nothing for a Monaco race when you can make up that difference in a handful of laps.

The MotoGP race was likely the best action to watch this past weekend. I saw highlights of that massive pileup crash for F2, but didn't watch much else.

A few weeks ago Formula E was at Monaco and I actually think they put on a much better show. Mind you their cars are significantly smaller, they have that boost feature that they can activate, which this season has been very impactful as it makes the car AWD and really helps with overtakes. They did a mandatory pit stop for 30 second recharge of the batteries, otherwise Formula E cars never really pit (similar to MotoGP). Anyway, it just shows just how much shrinking the cars could improve the wheel to wheel racing on this track.

I'm happy that Oscar isn't just running away with the championship lead as I'm sure everyone would appreciate the drivers championship to be in play for the majority of the season. It does seem like McLaren has almost already secured the constructors championship.

Man, how many races will Yuki last with RB? Or do they just stick with him for the rest of the season similar to last year with Checo and just punt the points. I would say that Yuki didn't help Max much at all at this race, but it's a good thing they have two other "team" drivers on the grip to help lend a helping hand (regardless of what some RB fans might admit, there is some help between the main team and the secondary team, not saying it's massive but certainly more than any other two teams work together).

Guess you weren't around when the pink Mercedes were driving around lol. They damn near went off the track to let Hamilton through. Same with HAAS and Ferrari, they all do it.
Yuki is doing better than his predecessors, so nothing to complain about. The Redbull at this point is just a very track specific car. It does great on tracks with high speed corners. Everywhere else it sucks. Yuki, Liam, Sergio, they drove the car where it should be in the hands of average drivers, Max is putting it where an exceptional driver would.

 

[Ron L]

Johnnyskids said: " I'm happy that Oscar isn't just running away with the championship lead as I'm sure everyone would appreciate the drivers championship to be in play for the majority of the season. It does seem like McLaren has almost already secured the constructors championship."

I'm happy Oscar isn't running away with the driver's Championship either. And I'm REALLY glad Max is either!

As for McLaren running away with the Constructor's Championship, that's pretty much Red Bull's fault for not getting a second driver who can handle a RB, or tune a RB car so Yuki can drive it like he could the Racing Bull car. And it's still possible for Ferrari or Mercedes to improve enough to get competitive... but they may have given McLaren too much of a head start already.

BTW, I was busy taken photos on Sunday morning. Thank goodness for DVR!

We don't see the otters very often.

This juvenile Green Heron looks like it needs a haircut!

This Wood Stork was playing with it's lunch!

 

[Dannyvandelft]

, that's pretty much Red Bull's fault for not getting a second driver who can handle a RB

That always makes me laugh. This isnt aimed at you, but what I'm reading everywhere on social media by anti-Max people.

Why is it always that the 2nd driver isn't good enough? Maybe the car is just terrible and Max is over driving the crap out of it every weekend.

When the car was good, Sergio was able to win with it, so we know he can drive. Gasly is a race winner, so we know he can drive. Albon is handily beating Sainz, who is a race winner, so we know he can drive. Liam is a rookie, so he's got an excuse. Yuki has beaten all his teammates, including Ricciardo who is a race winner, so we know he can drive.

So the easiest and logical conclusion is just that Max is SO good, that he can compete at the top with a midfield car, which he's proven multiple times, and is backed up by racers from around the world saying he is one of, if not the greatest in F1 history.

But no, let's go with rhetoric (from the Max haters) that it's anything but Max's skill.

These guys are the best in the world at what they do, they should be able to adapt to a different car in a relatively short period. Max jumped from a Torro Rosso into a RedBull, and qualified in the front, and won. With a little help from Hamilton and Rosberg torpedoing each other, but still, he had Kimi Raikkonen up his ass for 20 laps, and won. At 18 years old. He's 27 or something now and gotten better every year. No teammate can compete with that. I think of the 19 on the grid, Leclerc would be closest to him, Piastri maybe too, but other than that? Nobody.

 

[BrettMRC]

That always makes me laugh. This isnt aimed at you, but what I'm reading everywhere on social media by anti-Max people.

Why is it always that the 2nd driver isn't good enough? Maybe the car is just terrible and Max is over driving the crap out of it every weekend.

When the car was good, Sergio was able to win with it, so we know he can drive. Gasly is a race winner, so we know he can drive. Albon is handily beating Sainz, who is a race winner, so we know he can drive. Liam is a rookie, so he's got an excuse. Yuki has beaten all his teammates, including Ricciardo who is a race winner, so we know he can drive.

So the easiest and logical conclusion is just that Max is SO good, that he can compete at the top with a midfield car, which he's proven multiple times, and is backed up by racers from around the world saying he is one of, if not the greatest in F1 history.

But no, let's go with rhetoric (from the Max haters) that it's anything but Max's skill.

These guys are the best in the world at what they do, they should be able to adapt to a different car in a relatively short period. Max jumped from a Torro Rosso into a RedBull, and qualified in the front, and won. With a little help from Hamilton and Rosberg torpedoing each other, but still, he had Kimi Raikkonen up his ass for 20 laps, and won. At 18 years old. He's 27 or something now and gotten better every year. No teammate can compete with that. I think of the 19 on the grid, Leclerc would be closest to him, Piastri maybe too, but other than that? Nobody.

Can't deny that Max is shit hot, but I think there are a number of issues impacting the No.2 seat - first and foremost being the team is very Max centric, and Max hasn't really shown any signs of being a team player either. (It wasn't that long ago he refused to help Perez after direct team orders)

I honestly don't think the team wants a driver that takes any focus away from Max, and they certainly don't want a driver that can challenge him on a regular basis.

This gives you a team with a driver that is essentially the prima dona, everything is directed at him - with little apparent desire to nuture and mentor the 2nd driver. Based on this they'd be far better off with a seasoned driver whose only aspiration now is simply to drive the wheels off the car, doesn't need support, and doesn't give a fuck about the internal team politics.

If they can then drive a car well with a very narrow window of operation, (without stacking it in to the armco) then that's a bonus. (Get Raikkonen out of retirement!)

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