From Supra to M4 comp or 992.1 911 Carrera S

[gixxersixxerman]

So the Supra was my first foot in the door into BMW, and like a lot of others I’ve been thinking of “upgrading” to a G8x M3/M4 comp. Most likely the M4 as I have no need for another 4 door car. This would be like the Supra, a toy to cruise and have fun, I work from home no need to commute so It’s just a weekend enjoyment.

Spec’ing out my ideal M4 runs close to 105k new. A friend said for that money I’d have a 911. I’ve always disposed Porsche. Not for the car itself but the owners. I’ve met just a handful of really cool decent Porsche owners, the rest a usually the biggest DB ever.

The only 911 really in my price range would be a 2020 992.1 911 Carrera S. Only options I want/have to have is auto lift and sportchrono package. Seems a decent mileage (20-30k) 911 is around $95-110k.

So anyone spent time in either? I’ve watched some comparisons and it seems like the 911, even a base non S, beats out the M3/M4. Im pretty sure no matter what I’m slapping and exhaust and tune on either, I know the M4 will have more room when it comes to straight line ability which is why I’d get the Xdrive, but a tuned 911 S isn’t exactly slow either. Both can easily run mid 10’s no problem, handle great and from what I can research make great comfortable daily cars if I wanted too.

So what say you, standing in front of both cars which one are you taking the keys too?

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[MK5_Ger]

I haven't drive a G80 yet but several different Porsche (including variations of the 992), some G Series M-light cars and the M2 Comp (F87).
The G80 will be a big step up in performance if compared to a stock Supra.
It will however feel similar. You get the same 8hp transmission.
The S58 will pull like a train and won't stop especially with Xdrive. It can and will go stupidly fast.

If you want a real change then go for the Porsche. Interior, suspension and driving dynamics are on another level.
The steering is so much better than the one from G Series BMW. You feel exactly what it is doing. Not the numb BMW steering.
The whole car is way more refined.
You can cruise with it but also drive it hard.

Just go to a Porsche dealership and get a test drive. Then you know if it's something for you.

If you have the spare money to change from the Supra to a 992, do it.
Skip the G80. You will likely want the Porsche anyways if you have the G80.

I would choose the Porsche without hesitation based on my experience.

 

[66joeyn]

As a 2023 manual Supra owner who has friends who run both bmws and Porsches, mk5 summed it up. BMW will be very similar but Porsche would be a big step up, especially if you are looking at a 911. No wrong choice, you just need to figure out what you like most.

 

[GeicoGecko]

Porsche.

Don’t get me wrong the M4 is a great car but handling wise the Porsche will be a step up on both the M4 and Supra.

 

[razorlab]

The other benefit of the Porsche is that it wasn't visually designed by a four year old.

 

[gixxersixxerman]

I’ve spent the last 3-4 days researching everything I can about the 992. Hours spent on Rennlist and just learning about the car. I planned on heading to the dealership today but didn’t think about a test drive, figured id have to rent one on Turo. I have a friend that worked at Lambo of Las Vegas and we were talking about his job and laughed at a test drive comment. Figured Porsche was the same way. (Also yeah most owners haven’t changed, the way the Carrera is viewed is pretty much how most 3.0 Supra owners look at 2.0 Supra owners or how Mustang owners claim the 4 cyl isn’t a “Mustang”. to them a Carrera isn’t a Turbo therefore not a “real 911”)

Im also still torn on getting my dream car a AMG GTc, but the Mercedes issues I always read about has steered me away from them, even though they are cheaper then the M4 or 911.

 

[RenRed2]

I’ve spent the last 3-4 days researching everything I can about the 992. Hours spent on Rennlist and just learning about the car. I planned on heading to the dealership today but didn’t think about a test drive, figured id have to rent one on Turo. I have a friend that worked at Lambo of Las Vegas and we were talking about his job and laughed at a test drive comment. Figured Porsche was the same way. (Also yeah most owners haven’t changed, the way the Carrera is viewed is pretty much how most 3.0 Supra owners look at 2.0 Supra owners or how Mustang owners claim the 4 cyl isn’t a “Mustang”. to them a Carrera isn’t a Turbo therefore not a “real 911”)

Im also still torn on getting my dream car a AMG GTc, but the Mercedes issues I always read about has steered me away from them, even though they are cheaper then the M4 or 911.

I hope you find a test. Ignore the tools thinking the only 'real' 911 is a Turbo LOL. They were normally aspirated before and after the Turbo was made. Pathetic. Remind those idiots about the values on normally aspirated Turbo's - Classic 911's are defined by non turbo models in general. Drive what YOU like. Not what other's think you should. Its your money not theirs. I hope you find a 911 or M4 that suits you.

 

[gixxersixxerman]

I hope you find a test. Ignore the tools thinking the only 'real' 911 is a Turbo LOL. They were normally aspirated before and after the Turbo was made. Pathetic. Remind those idiots about the values on normally aspirated Turbo's - Classic 911's are defined by non turbo models in general. Drive what YOU like. Not what other think you should. Its your money not theirs. I hope you find a 911 or M4 that suits you.

I agree, I've always found the Porsche owners I have met just to be pricks. I have met some really cool guys, mainly at trackdays but I know they are out there. When you are on the forums and fb pages though you see it, the same ones saying spend the 50k more and drive a real 911 a turbo (even though all Carreras now are turbo lol) Again though I guess it's no different than when people were saying don't buy the 2.0 Supra buy the 3.0. In the end ill buy what I want without care of what others think, I've always built and bought cars the way I want them.

 

[RenRed2]

I agree, I've always found the Porsche owners I have met just to be pricks. I have met some really cool guys, mainly at trackdays but I know they are out there. When you are on the forums and fb pages though you see it, the same ones saying spend the 50k more and drive a real 911 a turbo (even though all Carreras now are turbo lol) Again though I guess it's no different than when people were saying don't buy the 2.0 Supra buy the 3.0. In the end ill buy what I want without care of what others think, I've always built and bought cars the way I want them.

The 'real' men always seem to mouth off on what others should do, drive etc in the car world. Yet most dont drive what they recommend. They appear to love to get off on helping others spend money on something they cannot afford. My 2.0 Supra was a superb vehicle. I like sports cars no matter the power level. Best of luck and enjoy the search. Its about the drive not the blabber at the bar.

 

[Axix23]

Go for the 911 and call it a day man!!

 

[JTurbz]

I bought a 2021 Supra brand new and owned it for 3 years before selling it and buying a G87 M2 with the ZF8 thinking it would be a big upgrade.

Well, about 8 months later, I sold it and bought a manual ‘24 Supra. The G87 was a better cruiser and GT car than the Supra, but wasn’t really much of an “upgrade” imo. Sure, it was a bit faster than the A90, especially in the top-end. But, I actually felt it was slightly sluggish in the low-end when compared to the Supra. This makes sense, considering the twin-turbo setup of the S58 compared to the single, twin-scroll turbo setup of the B58.

Another thing that bugged me a little bit is that the G87 looked like regular traffic. The Supra just looks unique and special on the road. I don’t have a commute, as I work from home, so I wanted my driving experience to truly feel special. That’s something that the G87 didn’t quite do for me when I took it for a spin on the weekend.

I did consider and test drove a manual 718 Cayman S before buying my 2nd Supra and enjoyed it quite a lot, but I couldn’t justify the price. Spec’ing a Cayman S to where the Supra 3.0 premium comes standard was going to run me about 100k.

I thought about a 911, but all the ones I saw that I wanted were out of my price range at the time, so I never really considered them. However, after this Supra, a (manual) 911 will be my next car

 

[6mt]

I have tons of time in a 2021 911 S 7 speed as I had my brothers to drive for months. I found it to be nothing special. I am in San Diego and the amount of sun that came through the front window was a pain in the ass. I personally think the cockpit of the Supra just feels so tight and a true sport cars. The small windows in the Supra is what makes the car for me. The zero to 60 in both cars was 4.1 with the manual. I am 5' 11" and that's probably the max height for the Supra. The Porsche will be better for someone taller or over weight. The killer for me on the 911 is the expected yearly maintenance schedule which averages $1500 a visit. The other thing I dig about the Supra is how stealth it is. Not too many people know about it and I blow them away at red lights and on the freeway. The B58 is a great power plant. I would tune mine if I had a auto, but with the manual I hit the rev limiter all the time.

The 911 is an iconic symbol but they are now boats and cost 2x the Supra......Find one on Turo and drive it for two days. You will make your own mind up.

 

[MK5_Ger]

I am 5' 11" and that's probably the max height for the Supra. The Porsche will be better for someone taller

No issues with 6'3 in the Supra. It is near the upper limit however.

Porsche have indeed more space for tall people.

 

[Supraluv]

I have driven the 911 and it is a great car but as others have said the yearly expense should definitely be taken into account. I have had my 23 Supra since Oct 2022 and have only done a few oil changes so far. The 911 is also very common and not a head turner like the Supra. When I go to car meets the Supra gets a lot of attention as most of you know but my friends 911 gets nothing.
I personally like the 918 Cayman better and I will be getting one this year to go along with my Supra. I also have a Z4 coupe that I like as well and it`s also staying put. Get what you like but to me the 911 is very capable but it is kind of boring driving it to me. The Supra is a fantastic car and not boring to drive in my humble opinion.

 

[Jmanlevan]

Its interesting you made this post Thomas, as I too have been debating back and forth with these exact same options.

I love my Supra and it is my first introduction to BMW's. I love the B58 but the S58 seems awesome and is something I would love to have. While I don't love the gigantic kidney grills on the new M3/M4, it has grown on me over the years and they look much, much better when lowered on a nice set of wheels. I would love to get a G82 M4 competition with Xdrive and white carbon buckets. That car stock is a monster and with simple mods, makes huge power like our Supras can and something about the Xdrive is intriguing to me. I kind of consider these new M3/4s as the "modern" GTR's.

I also love 911's and have always wanted one ever since I was a kid with a red 911 hot wheels. They are beautiful and timeless no matter which generation. But I too am kind of turned off by the Porsche community in the same way a lot of us are turned off by the Corvette community despite how admittedly awesome the new C8's and 911s are. But I always try to remind myself that I buy cars for me and me alone -- not anybody else and the stereotypes they carry. But, cars do have a way of attracting that cars specific type of person like moths to a flame i.e Subaru WRX/STI's have the late teens early 20s vape smoking douchers, Corvettes with the elderly men in Jorts with New Balances and Porsches with the middle aged male elitist assholes. But not all owners fall into these categories as you know.

The 911 has always been the epitome of sports cars with their performance and handling especially in terms of enthusiast driving feel. I will own a 911 GT3 or GT3RS someday despite my feelings of the crowd of owners that come along with.

You have a tough decision on your hand my friend!

I feel like the new BMWs have more aftermarket support and tuning potential than 911s and I have been following your Supra build for a loooooong time. I feel like if you are ready to move on from the Supra, the M4 would be a better fit for you since you seem to be very interested in the modification/tuning world based off your Supra build. I think you would have more fun modifying a G82 M4 than you would a 992 Carerra S.

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