I would say its a car that every enthusiast will appreciate for what its trying to be. I wouldnt call myself a begginer, I drove a lot of sports cars, from MX5/S2000 to Porsches, Ferraris etc, I'm tracking 86.
Maybe it will sound like a sacrilege but I'm looking for a 2.0 option coz of the lower mass (like I said, I dont need power but.. that 3.0 is so sweet). Its said to be 1395kg only and I like low weight, a lot. Tuning that 2.0 to ~320hp will be also super easy. Good suspension on top of that, CUP2's and we can go :>
First of all, what issues is this car plagued with? Car has been out under a year.. Can you elaborate what BMW issues your talking about? And as far as manual, who cares? The auto is as fun as a manual if not better. I love how people talk smack about a car they don't even own or driven.....
The Supra is too new to have a "known issues" list, but BMW has had more than its' share of issues, which knock them well below Toyota and Porsche in both reliability and resale. In any case, Toyota has a better warranty track record. As far as "who cares" about MT: I do. I've driven many higher end autos, and if the ZF8 isn't better than PDK, I probably won't like it. My preference for MT over auto isn't "smack", it's my opinion, and that seems to be what the OP is asking for...maybe Toyota will come to their senses on test drives...for now, I bought a car I know I like
well, I hope you enjoy your higher end MT BRZ/86.The Supra is too new to have a "known issues" list, but BMW has had more than its' share of issues, which knock them well below Toyota and Porsche in both reliability and resale. In any case, Toyota has a better warranty track record. As far as "who cares" about MT: I do. I've driven many higher end autos, and if the ZF8 isn't better than PDK, I probably won't like it. My preference for MT over auto isn't "smack", it's my opinion, and that seems to be what the OP is asking for...maybe Toyota will come to their senses on test drives...for now, I bought a car I know I like
Yes. On a road course, especially a technical one, it's 95% talent/set up over power. I can't count the times I've seen NA miatas hound cars with 6x the HP on track.Both are fun cars! This is not about 86 vs Supra (apples vs oranges) It is about which is more "FUN" to drive. Though fun can be very subjective, it's more HOW you drive and PUSH your car to the limits which actually makes it more fun!
Usual recipes for fun!
Lightweight, balanced, high revving engine, superb steering/handling characteristics, great exhaust sound, manual
Always more fun if you can tail or beat a more high powered car
That green gold combo is just sickThe Supra is too new to have a "known issues" list, but BMW has had more than its' share of issues, which knock them well below Toyota and Porsche in both reliability and resale. In any case, Toyota has a better warranty track record. As far as "who cares" about MT: I do. I've driven many higher end autos, and if the ZF8 isn't better than PDK, I probably won't like it. My preference for MT over auto isn't "smack", it's my opinion, and that seems to be what the OP is asking for...maybe Toyota will come to their senses on test drives...for now, I bought a car I know I like
Love that red as well, same I chose in '13That green gold combo is just sick
I drove Supra a lot on twisties and it wasnt more fun than my 86 for me, thats why I did hold off with Supra purchase (and belive me I was ultra hyped to get it) at least till new GR86. And 8ZF is not as good as PDK (its really good but on AS good), its slower than BMW DCT too. PDK is almost art level as auto trans goes, but it still isnt manual no matter how fast it shifts
