Top Gear Tests: Supra vs Z4, Cayman GTS, Alpine A110, M2

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    #1 Jun 10, 2019
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    Top Gear's Toyota Supra mega-test!
    Intro: Toyota Supra or BMW Z4: which one would you choose?
    1. Supra vs BMW Z4
    2. Supra vs Cayman GTS
    3. Supra vs Alpine A110
    4. Supra vs BMW M2
    5. Supra's numbers (0-60 performance comparison)


    Part 1: Supra vs Z4
    Part 2: Supra vs Cayman GTS
    Part 3: Supra vs Alpine A110
    Part 4: Supra vs M2

    Part 5 Supra's Numbers


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    Sounds like that's only part 1 of 4 to be posted.
     
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    A little disappointing really. So in short, the only car that they think the Supra is better than is the Z4. When compared to the other three, the Supra seems to have lost in one category or another. Never felt as fast nor handle as well as them.
     
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    #7 Jun 13, 2019
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    Which is in stark contrast with almost every other review I have read.

    The only other negative one I saw was Doug’s and that was more geared towards car politics than how the Supra was objectively.

    Motor Trend said the Supra was miles better than the M2C and it also managed to beat out the Cayman.
     
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    Part 5 added showing 0-XX mph performance comparison
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    Honestly, not the best reporting work. Not talking about being biased or anything, just the language and structure of it. I even saw spelling mistakes. Spelling mistake kindda tells me that, author just sat down, wrote the whole thing in one take and didn't even proof read it...

    Anyhow, GTS even though it's more powerful, is behind Supra. Alpine is no match, M2 stands out in few areas.
     
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    Just read the Chris Harris review and honestly he nailed the issues with it
     
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    Is this available online?
     
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    Agreed.... Or Doug Demuro's as well. His is particularly interesting, because of the dozens and dozens of reviews I've seen, he is one of only 2 who's various discussions of the car disclose how Toyota provided all expense paid reviews, and non production cars, which he felt clouded the judgement of the other reviewers.

    Also interesting to note, is just how similarly scripted the other reviews are. Its as though Toyota wrote the lines, and asked them to repeat in their own words, which some didn't bother to do and just regurgitated the text, literally whilst in the background of other reviewers cameras..

    Obviously however, Chris and Doug didn't get the Toyota "repeat after me" Memo, and went their own distinctly different direction on the review.

    I guess we also need to be careful here, because, like Chris and Doug, we arn't on our knees worshipping the MkV singing "how great thou are" in an ode to tada and car. I mean how dare someone write a balanced review? How dare someone suggest the MkV is anything other than automotive perfection? how dare we suggest that it might have flaws? how dare we suggest that Toyota could have done a better job? how dare we question the job they have done? How dare we expect better?... dont we know just how much we owe our meaningless existence to Toyota for this? /end sarcasmn.
     
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    I do not disagree with that argument. Yes there are many ways I wish the car would have turned out differently, but, I think the issue with their reviews are not issues with the car itself.

    To me, they seem more directed at the fact that the car is not thoroughly a Toyota and I get that, but I feel that has clouded their judgement on the way the car is obejctively.

    Also, I think I would be worried if other reviews did not say the same or similar things. They are all driving the same car with the same pros and cons. And from what I can tell, some disagree on things like steering weight, steering rack speed, body roll, brake dive, brake feel, the engine, etc. However, most of them are fairly positive towards the car.

    Last thing, almost all press launch for big new realeases are basically all expenses paid vacations. The new 330i, the McLaren 720, new Audi Q8. All of these were huge events, some much bigger than the Supra’s.
     
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    Or, like you, these two cannot get over the BMW collaboration, and that clouds their entire persepective and judgement of the car, making them unable to review it "objectively".

    Personally, I'll accept the 20 positive reviews and take the 1 or 2 negatives with a grain of salt.
     

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