Why I'm NOT Hyped About The New Toyota Supra

[PerformanceSound]

Toyota trucks can be a great thing or a shit thing.
But Did you know that toyota is known to have the shittiest manufactuering boxed frame process and had a complete world wide recall because trucks were splitting in half? They are great truck.

When it works.

I know that the non-Japanese manufactured Toyota trucks suffer from weak or early rust-through-frames....however, the “J” vin frames have all held up pretty darn well. Google “Tundra frames recall.” This is one of the reasons I am not very happy with the MKV Supra being built outside a Toyota Japan factory.

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[SupraFiend]

Toyota trucks can be a great thing or a shit thing.
But Did you know that toyota is known to have the shittiest manufactuering boxed frame process and had a complete world wide recall because trucks were splitting in half? They are great truck.

When it works.

You mean like a 1st gen Tacoma? I just got into these and bought my first truck. Been around Toys forever, but didn't really need a truck till now. These trucks, are... awesome! Mostly because its just the newest compact classic Toyota pickup you can buy. Mines an 03, and in 05 they gained 500lbs with no appreciable benefit, and then again with the new gen. I love my truck and will keep it forever, its the last of the 90s era designed trucks. As for the rust, that's actually a coating issue. From what I've seen, they built these trucks just like they built them in Japan, but with locally sourced materials. The gremlin on these was the paint they used on the frames, and the issue mostly just bit them in the salt belt. These things are skyrocketing in demand and price, everyone wants one now!

As for the talk about millennials not experiencing the great 90s Japanese engineering, you are dead wrong my friend. Maybe for peeps who only buy new, but I think most under 30 are buying used, and let me tell you, now is the time to sample the last massively over-engineered greats from the 90s. They are fully depreciated and the last nice examples are quickly getting snatched up and or run into the ground. The Supra has already become unattainable for most, but the rest are ripe for the picking and are being sampled by anyone and everyone who can scrounge together a few grand. LS400s, SC400s, IS300s, 1st gen Tacomas, 2nd gen MR2s, MRSs, last get Celicas, 1st gen Tundras and for those of us not in the US, Altezzas, Aristos, Mark IIs, Chasers etc etc, now is the time to get one if you never have and meant to. The level of engineering and reliablity with the cars designed in the 90s vs the newer Toy stuff is pretty massive. They know, oh, they know.

Ford, unlike Toyota won’t discount its core buyer.. regardless of the what the take rate of auto vs manual is.

Unless you happen to like Ford CARS, that aren't the mustang. Seriously, Ford can go to the hell. That decision to just get out of making cars altogether is so bloody irresponsible and stupid, it ought to be illegal. If I owned a Ford, I would sell it right now and walk away from the brand forever after that.

Toyota also makes a century that shares nothing with any other product in the line up. Why didn’t they go beg Rolls Royce to help them build one and use their V12?

The new generation Century just came out actually, Toyota v8 powered now...


As for all this talk of Halo cars and the 350z/370z being huge disappointments, disagree. The mk4 was amazing yes, but its not actually my favorite Supra. It was always too expensive and sold in such low numbers here that it too was far too unapproachable. Sorry, screw you guys and your fleets of ZR1s, new GTRs, Viper, Porsche 9XX etc etc, I want a rwd, inline 6 powered sports car with massive mod potential for the masses. Lets not forget the mk4 only happened because the mk2 and the mk3 were really decent sales successes. In fact, the mk4 was a sales disaster on this continent. As was the z32, which is why the next Zs we got were what they were. I personally think Toyota's real failing was not bringing out a 350z contender at the time, they just let Mazda and Nissan have that market in the early 2000s without even trying. I never wanted a sequel to the mk4, I wanted a sequel to the mk2, and I still think in today's market that would do best. Lets not forget that brief period a few years ago when the ONLY midsize rwd Asian sports coupe you could buy was the 370z. Then we got the Genesis and the BRZ/FRS and people were just ecstatic that cars of this type at least existed again. We don't need a Toyota GTR, we need a Toyota 370z. But hey, if we can get an exact clone of the mk4 spec wise that is lighter, has a little more power, has most of the reliability and is way cheaper, shawing! Anyways, spec wise this car may just be that, price wise... remains to be seen. Wish it was made in Japan though. Like many I am hoping that the Toyota involvement in this project will result in the car we need and near Toyota levels of reliability, but, yeah super skeptical still.

 

[Spilner]

Meanwhile i've been looking at it like the MK2 because it's being sold alongside an 86

 

[PerformanceSound]

You mean like a 1st gen Tacoma? I just got into these and bought my first truck. Been around Toys forever, but didn't really need a truck till now. These trucks, are... awesome! As for the rust, that's actually a coating issue. From what I've seen, they built these trucks just like they built them in Japan, but with locally sourced materials. The gremlin on these was the paint they used on the frames, and the issue mostly just bit them in the salt belt. These things are skyrocketing in demand and price, everyone wants one now!

As for the talk about millennials not experiencing the great 90s Japanese engineering, you are dead wrong my friend. Maybe for peeps who only buy new, but I think most under 30 are buying used, and let me tell you, now is the time to sample the last massively over-engineered greats from the 90s. They are fully depreciated and the last nice examples are quickly getting snatched up and or run into the ground. The Supra has already become unattainable for most, but the rest are ripe for the picking and are being sampled by anyone and everyone who can scrounge together a few grand. LS400s, SC400s, IS300s, 1st gen Tacomas, 2nd gen MR2s, MRSs, last get Celicas, 1st gen Tundras and for those of us not in the US, Altezzas, Aristos, Mark IIs, Chasers etc etc, now is the time to get one if you never have and meant to. The level of engineering and reliablity with the cars designed in the 90s vs the newer Toy stuff is pretty massive. They know, oh, they know.

As for all this talk of Halo cars and the 350z/370z being huge disappointments, disagree. The mk4 was amazing yes, but its not actually my favorite Supra. It was always too expensive and sold in such low numbers here that it too was far too unapproachable. Sorry, screw you guys and your fleets of ZR1s, new GTRs, Viper, Porsche 9XX etc etc, I want a rwd, inline 6 powered sports car with massive mod potential for the masses. Lets not forget the mk4 only happened because the mk2 and the mk3 were really decent sales successes. In fact, the mk4 was a sales disaster on this continent. As was the z32, which is why the next Zs we got were what they were. I personally think Toyota's real failing was not bringing out a 350z contender at the time, they just let Mazda and Nissan have that market in the early 2000s without even trying. I never wanted a sequel to the mk4, I wanted a sequel to the mk2, and I still think in today's market that would do best. Lets not forget that brief period a few years ago when the ONLY midsize rwd Asian sports coupe you could buy was the 370z. Then we got the Genesis and the BRZ/FRS and people were just ecstatic that cars of this type at least existed again. We don't need a Toyota GTR, we need a Toyota 370z. But hey, if we can get an exact clone of the mk4 spec wise that is lighter, has a little more power, has most of the reliability and is way cheaper, shawing! Anyways, spec wise this car may just be that, price wise... remains to be seen. Wish it was made in Japan though. Like many I am hoping that the Toyota involvement in this project will result in the car we need and near Toyota levels of reliability, but, yeah super skeptical still.

You had some good points here, and I respect your opinion and perspective on them. Without going too far off track with the MKV Supra and onto trucks, I agree the major issues were related to improper rust-proofing and quality of metals. What most folks in America don't know is that the metal used here in the U.S. is of "lesser" quality than what other countries get....this also applies to other alloys, and plastics. Only the U.S. Military gets top notch stuff here....the rest is "ehhh." It is about where the raw material is sourced, and not about how the frame is "boxed." The LandCruiser, Tundra, and Sequoia are (if im not mistaken) built on an almost identical frame, with the tundra and Sequoia having an extended frame as compared to the LandCruiser. However, that's where the similarities really stop....but just goes to show that not all frames (even though they are nearly identical in design) are created equal.

As for the 90's era of cars, your right alot of people (under 30) are buying those cars and experiencing the pinnacle of over-engineering...and to those folks, I say "kudos!" because they will be better and smarter shoppers in the future for quality cars. My point was, those people (unfortunately) don't seem to be on this forum....and if they are, they almost all are not cheering for this new MKV Supra. Would you agree? That's why guys like JDMuscle (who own a proper MKIV...and not some swamp salvage titled MKIV like some other folks) and others are not too thrilled about the MKV Supra. Btw, who told you the Z32 sales were a disaster? The Z32 suffered an early demise because of U.S. economy decline, not because it wasn't a great car. As a matter of fact, the Z32 received 10 Best Car award all six years it was sold in the U.S....and....has one of the longest UNCHANGED productions of any sports car to date (1989 to 1999....offered only up to 1996 in the U.S.). It sold pretty well for most of it's availability in the U.S. considering it was at one point selling in the mid-to-high $40k range....in the 90's. I let you calculate what that would cost in today's money. Around the world, it still did pretty well (sales wise) considering it's sticker price.

I owned a 350Z, I was actually one of the first people to pre-order and take delivery of one. After two weeks of driving it, I immediately began to notice its flaws....crap interior quality, noise, rattles and squeaks, under-powered (compared to it's competition), etc... It really made me miss my first Z32, and that why after a year I sold the Z33 and have never purchased another post Z32 Z. I recently went back to a Z32 and every time I get in it, I appreciate the level of quality, detail, and engineering that went into designing the car. The 370Z has gotten better, but unless they offer some more power, the domestics are still a better buy...and that doesn't say much. I have gotten over alot of things with the MKV Supra (not being built in Japan, BMW collaboration, no manual, etc...) but the more news we hear about this car, the less attractive it makes the car.

We need something to WOW us....otherwise, like S900 said, "its just the GT86 older sibling" and not really a Supra.

 

[Spilner]

I owned a 350Z, I was actually one of the first people to pre-order and take delivery of one. After two weeks of driving it, I immediately began to notice its flaws....crap interior quality, noise, rattles and squeaks, under-powered (compared to it's competition), etc... It really made miss my first Z32, and that why after a year I sold the Z33 and have never purchased another post Z32 Z. I recently went back to a Z32 and every time I get in it, I appreciate the level of quality, detail, and engineering that went into designing the car. The 370Z has gotten better, but unless they offer some more power, the domestics are still a better buy...
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Any time i ask my brother if he would get a 350Z, he always tells me no because of how stiff the steering is

 

[PerformanceSound]

Any time i ask my brother if he would get a 350Z, he always tells me no because of how stiff the steering is

Yeah, the steering is the least of anyone's worries on the Z33....

 

[Spilner]

what else is there to worry about

 

[Jdmuscle]

Any time i ask my brother if he would get a 350Z, he always tells me no because of how stiff the steering is

What do you drive?

 

[Spilner]

What do you drive?

nothing yet, thinking of getting a MT GT86

 

[PerformanceSound]

what else is there to worry about

Well, from my experience; version 1 of the CDxxx transmissions had bad synchros, tire cupping issue from front suspension design, rear hatch striker coming loose causing excessive play in hatch, etc... Most of those issues were resolved in the 2006+ models, but for 2003 to 2005 owners...they were SOL.

 

[PerformanceSound]

nothing yet, thinking of getting a MT GT86

I'd try and find a clean example of a late model 240SX and do a 2JZ swap if you can....I promise you, you will never look twice at any other car. Killer combination, and really brings the S chassis to life....just be responsible about it.

 

[Spilner]

I'd try and find a clean example of a late model 240SX and do a 2JZ swap if you can....I promise you, you will never look twice at any other car. Killer combination, and really brings the S chassis to life....just be responsible about it.

I see them all the time, which makes it tempting

 

[tfoxyr]

imo even with the 1.8 turbo engine the 200sx is heavenly. It is a fraction faster on paper than the 86 but it feels a lot faster. Also with this engine it is as light as it should be.

 

[BrettS]

There’s just something about s chassis’ that make them hard not to like. My 180sx to this date was one of the funnest cars I’ve owned.

 

[twntrbo03']

Lol. Even an inferior company knows to deliver fun.. Toyota goes begging to another inferior company to provide its fanboys with sports car. So I guess going by your logic.. this Supra is produced by an inferior company and you are happy with that?

This car will come with a manual transmission. They aren't going to release a Supra and only offer an automatic.

This is exactly my situation. I'm buying one of the two, but want to be properly disappointed in person before I commit to the GT-R.
... So you're telling me that if I buy the cheaper car, and put time and money into it, I'll have a car that performs just as well as a GT-R, for the price of a GT-R? Then what's the point?

You will regret the GTR and lose a ton of money right off the bat. Car is boring as hell to drive and the reason most people trade them in a year or so after driving it. I'm not saying its not a great car, just that the car does EVERYTHING for you and takes the fun out of driving a car.

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