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I mean, it might be an upgrade, but without extensive testing we wont know. The underside of the GT4 is shown above as it comes, and as it races, which is almost identical to the street version.
What bit are you commenting on? The pan? Or something else?
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What bit are you commenting on? The pan? Or something else?
Oh, sorry, yes, the pan. I'd love to see some temp differences!
 

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I mean, it might be an upgrade, but without extensive testing we wont know. The underside of the GT4 is shown above as it comes, and as it races, which is almost identical to the street
What's your source on the gt4 statement? I def want to believe, it would be a significant data point on how the Gazoo engineers view this.
 

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What's your source on the gt4 statement? I def want to believe, it would be a significant data point on how the Gazoo engineers view this.
I'm referring exclusively to the underbody aero changes, or essentially lack thereof. The street version and as-it-comes GT4 are a lot more similar than I expected once I dove into it.

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I should have been a lot more clear on both of my statements, and thinking-out-loud questions. Obviously the center panel that covers the trans has been removed, and the changes to the front will affect the way the heat is pumped out of the engine bay & wheelwells. I can't find specs to see if the trans cooler unit has been upgraded itself, but that extra opening in the front bumper cover is right in front of said cooler from what I recall. The Gazoo guys swapped the pan for a reason, so it does something to help with temps. I'm just wanting to see by what margin, and if the frontal changes play directly into it too.
 
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I'm referring exclusively to the underbody aero changes, or essentially lack thereof. The street version and as-it-comes GT4 are a lot more similar than I expected once I dove into it.

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I should have been a lot more clear on both of my statements, and thinking-out-loud questions. Obviously the center panel that covers the trans has been removed, and the changes to the front will affect the way the heat is pumped out of the engine bay & wheelwells. I can't find specs to see if the trans cooler unit has been upgraded itself, but that extra opening in the front bumper cover is right in front of said cooler from what I recall. The Gazoo guys swapped the pan for a reason, so it does something to help with temps. I'm just wanting to see by what margin, and if the frontal changes play directly into it too.
Trans cooler is at the bottom of the front stack of heat exchanger and radiator. The extra hole/slot in the GT4 bumper is far up from it.
 

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Its not a zero-sum game, there are alternative methods to cooling, like upgrading the heat exchanger.
Yea you can stack a larger cooler up front and lose efficiency for engine cooling. That would be my last option for this car due to the air-water coolers basically taking all priority in every duct opening.

Will the average track/hpde guy hit that limit where they need maximum efficiency?
- Not likely, that is why most street cars can band aid cooling issues with a larger core when the true fix is getting the proper sized cooler and optimal ducting/flow to cool said surface area efficiently.

The oil pan swap is a great upgrade option because the under panel in question that needs to be trimmed/removed has very little effect to the overall aero balance of a non flat-bottom car.
 
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I'm referring exclusively to the underbody aero changes, or essentially lack thereof. The street version and as-it-comes GT4 are a lot more similar than I expected once I dove into it.

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I should have been a lot more clear on both of my statements, and thinking-out-loud questions. Obviously the center panel that covers the trans has been removed, and the changes to the front will affect the way the heat is pumped out of the engine bay & wheelwells. I can't find specs to see if the trans cooler unit has been upgraded itself, but that extra opening in the front bumper cover is right in front of said cooler from what I recall. The Gazoo guys swapped the pan for a reason, so it does something to help with temps. I'm just wanting to see by what margin, and if the frontal changes play directly into it too.
Most definitely, the extra capacity alone plus increased air flow will certainly help. My issue is that I'm def not a race engineer, so I can't say what effect altering/removing that panel may have. My fear is that the Gazoo engineers looked at it and said "Np, we can counter this with our improved front lip and wing", which is not an option for those of us in a restricted class like T2 where you are prohibited from adding aero. Is the effect minimal? Probably. But I'd love to see some data!
 
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I just want to swap so I can change out filters only, as opposed to entire pans.
Then either option will work well for you. The metal pans have the filter separate. I'm currently trying to source a M3/M4 pan without having to pay $360. I just want to measure the dimensions.
 

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Then either option will work well for you. The metal pans have the filter separate. I'm currently trying to source a M3/M4 pan without having to pay $360. I just want to measure the dimensions.
How about if I PayPal you the money, you buy it, measur it, send it to me? I don't mind doing it in the name of science.
 
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I ended up ordering an OEM plastic pan to compare.

Here are some measurements. I was planning on doing extensive inside depth measurements but the OEM pan having the filter integrated into the pan basically makes that impossible. The only way I could truly compare fluid capacities is filling each up with fluid. I could still do that but I I would want to use trans fluid to do it so I wouldn't ruin the filters. If I had to guess by just looking at both pans and the shape/size of the filters, the X3/X5/M5 trans pan seems to have more fluid capacity.

I also forgot to measure the vertical height of the OEM pan in this round. I'll get around to it soon!

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So the next question is how much extra fluid do we need to add to run the upgraded pan?
 

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I ended up ordering an OEM plastic pan to compare.

Here are some measurements. I was planning on doing extensive inside depth measurements but the OEM pan having the filter integrated into the pan basically makes that impossible. The only way I could truly compare fluid capacities is filling each up with fluid. I could still do that but I I would want to use trans fluid to do it so I wouldn't ruin the filters. If I had to guess by just looking at both pans and the shape/size of the filters, the X3/X5/M5 trans pan seems to have more fluid capacity.

I also forgot to measure the vertical height of the OEM pan in this round. I'll get around to it soon!

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did you manage to find how much trans fluid should be used according to BMW in the X3/X5/M5 ?
 
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did you manage to find how much trans fluid should be used according to BMW in the X3/X5/M5 ?
Lol, I didn’t even think of that! Lmao. Sometimes the answer is right in front of you. Thanks. Time to go find a M5 service manual…
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